tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33241741.post8730953215153036315..comments2023-09-24T07:53:50.826-05:00Comments on The Atheist Experience™: And the chorus of disapproval continues, plus a creo replyUnknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger7125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33241741.post-85885208629700976182007-12-08T01:48:00.000-06:002007-12-08T01:48:00.000-06:00Thanks and welcome! Yes you're right, some of the ...Thanks and welcome! Yes you're right, some of the more obnoxious trolls out there are so socially clueless they don't realize that excessive obnoxiousness is a really ineffective way to sell your message.Martinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17933545393470431585noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33241741.post-87895821713380076372007-12-08T00:59:00.000-06:002007-12-08T00:59:00.000-06:00Hi MartinI've seen the NOVA program about ID on tr...Hi Martin<BR/><BR/>I've seen the NOVA program about ID on trial, and I can only say that it was terrific! I wish they could have put more on the trial, I think a lot was said that could have done a lot more good in the long run. <BR/><BR/>Other than that, I think you have a helluva blog here! I just finished reading the rest of the posts, and then some. I'm not new on the skeptic side of the spectrum and I've dealt a lot before with trolls like some I've read here. I intent to be a regular reader, since this ID movement really cracks me up! I've never had that much laughs since I was in junior High school, and here's a good place to learn more about this.<BR/><BR/>I wonder if people like those trolls realize that some people reading them end up realizing that they don't want to share that ridiculous notion of a loving god, or life for that matter, and some may end up investing more on the skeptical thinking... and even changing minds and going agnostics or atheist, like in my case<BR/><BR/>Keep up the good work!Mythohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15055332920863888282noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33241741.post-82938775656046341412007-12-07T15:57:00.000-06:002007-12-07T15:57:00.000-06:00Well, mytho, a lot has been said about ID and YEC,...Well, mytho, a lot <I>has</I> been said about ID and YEC, and I guess I made the mistake of assuming that most regular readers here were aware of what beliefs these folks were trying to shoehorn into science curricula. But yes, in case you weren't aware of the full magnitude of the ignorance, it is in fact the case that a lot of people in the year 2007 actually believe the earth is only 6000 years old — which would mean, in Dawkins' hilarious observation, that it was created after dogs were domesticated. (Heck, even the ruins of the Biblical city of Jericho are at least 8000 years old!)<BR/><BR/>As for ID, well, it's just a passel of negative arguments. They make no actual case <I>for</I> "intelligent design." They simply hone in on perceived weaknesses in evolutionary theory and hope that if they can show evolution is sufficiently weak, then ID will win by default. Judge Jones saw right through this lame tactic and called them out on it in Dover. The irony of the IDer's approach is this: their main argument against evolution is that it has a lot of "gaps," and the more gaps a theory has, the worse a theory is. The thing is, the alternative they offer — a designer whose existence is only inferred — is nothing more than one big gap that is <I>larger than the universe and everything in it</I>. So in essence, by the premise of its own arguments, ID refutes itself.Martinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17933545393470431585noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33241741.post-16019938933525437162007-12-07T14:54:00.000-06:002007-12-07T14:54:00.000-06:00After reading the second comment on this thread, I...After reading the second comment on this thread, I cannot fail to see what scientific illiteracy means, and that it must be deal with. Maybe these persons find science just too damn difficult and try to stablish a ID and YEC curricula in the schools so that they can have some decent results in tests at the end of the period. <BR/><BR/>You, Martin, could have said a lot about ID and YEC, but the very thing that convinced me about the terrible mistake that would be teaching religion in disguize on north american schools came as a bang after reading what this rhology had to say about it.Mythohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15055332920863888282noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33241741.post-75108726185605406202007-12-07T08:48:00.000-06:002007-12-07T08:48:00.000-06:00Well, mainly, it just adds you to the already-too-...Well, mainly, it just adds you to the already-too-long list of scientifically illiterate Americans. Unless, with your <I>awesome biological expertise</I> (eye roll), you can point out to the people who actually do science for a living the "mistakes" you think it makes.Martinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17933545393470431585noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33241741.post-25210035198773631052007-12-07T08:08:00.000-06:002007-12-07T08:08:00.000-06:00I kind of agree with you in a way. I think Young ...I kind of agree with you in a way. I think Young Earth Creationism should be taught in history class. <BR/><BR/>But I do deny evolution should be taught (except as an amusing side-note and "FYI, don't make these mistakes" kind of thing) in science class, so that still puts me on your bad side. ;-)Rhologyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14245825667079220242noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33241741.post-17778351513048132502007-12-07T07:09:00.000-06:002007-12-07T07:09:00.000-06:00Oh yeah?!(credit to Jay Novella)Oh yeah?!<BR/><BR/>(credit to Jay Novella)ouinihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15476746377310639286noreply@blogger.com