tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33241741.post7626622837902843527..comments2023-09-24T07:53:50.826-05:00Comments on The Atheist Experience™: "If I gave you any thought, I probably would."Unknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger44125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33241741.post-28691698706258618872010-08-06T22:16:56.808-05:002010-08-06T22:16:56.808-05:00I am looking into a matter for a youtuber who thin...I am looking into a matter for a youtuber who thinks posts here can be edited and that editing them doesn't update the timestamp. You know investigating the matter. I think it would be odd if it doesn't update the timestamp, but even if it doesn't that doesn't prove they were edited. This post will be edited in about 10 minutes from my current time which is 10:35 AM 8/5/2010.<br />I guess that won't matter too much because I could just edit that... rambling. Anyway please don't be annoyed. "<br /><br /><br />I don';t think you can edit your commentsInghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13024689390434414829noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33241741.post-19127730929945486152010-08-06T15:53:15.037-05:002010-08-06T15:53:15.037-05:00You guys are right, and I have stumbled slightly. ...You guys are right, and I have stumbled slightly. How about "What proof and evidence can you provide that Christianity is both thermodynamically efficient and aerodynamic?"Improbable Joehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00388199130147075176noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33241741.post-45570121213638663272010-08-05T09:38:36.240-05:002010-08-05T09:38:36.240-05:00I am looking into a matter for a youtuber who thin...I am looking into a matter for a youtuber who thinks posts here can be edited and that editing them doesn't update the timestamp. You know investigating the matter. I think it would be odd if it doesn't update the timestamp, but even if it doesn't that doesn't prove they were edited. This post will be edited in about 10 minutes from my current time which is 10:35 AM 8/5/2010.<br />I guess that won't matter too much because I could just edit that... rambling. Anyway please don't be annoyed.Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08138878405786032695noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33241741.post-24332381418840092772010-08-04T09:13:21.627-05:002010-08-04T09:13:21.627-05:00"This Shock dude truly blows my mind. I'd..."This Shock dude truly blows my mind. I'd say terrible things about them, but apparently he'll make them up on his own when he reads this comment. :D"<br /><br />Christians, explain why your stance that "It is ok to lie and slander people because I have a small penis" is accurate!Inghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13024689390434414829noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33241741.post-55265360294262119452010-08-04T09:11:54.441-05:002010-08-04T09:11:54.441-05:00"You accuse Shock's question of being &qu..."You accuse Shock's question of being "content-free shifting-the-burden fallacy." However, it is the modern atheists who have been shifting the burden onto the Christian by trying to redefine atheism as just a "lack of belief in God." No, atheists, atheism is the affirmation there is no God, look it up in philosophy dictionaries; thus Shock's question asking for evidence that atheism is accurate and correct is perfectly valid. "<br /><br /><br />Yeah but Christians believe in the absurdity that the universe was made by a giant cosmic piglet named Perciple who made everything by rutting through mashed mangos. And that all left handed people need to have a small dog stapled to their elbow. AND that minorities are an abomination and should be painted purple. <br /><br />Justify why that stance is right!<br /><br />I mean, if we're clearly going to let the other side define what we believe.Inghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13024689390434414829noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33241741.post-46711162713259997582010-08-03T22:17:15.972-05:002010-08-03T22:17:15.972-05:00@ Bath Tub I'm downloading a mirror right now ...@ Bath Tub I'm downloading a mirror right now but I don't know whether the annotations including Shock's version of the quotes will be included. PM me on YT if you want what I downloaded in the case that Shock pulls this vid (as I highly suspect he will.)pendulousphallushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01219069212410322994noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33241741.post-24552959027506097022010-08-03T19:35:57.241-05:002010-08-03T19:35:57.241-05:00@ BathTub. Shock's new video has quotes from t...@ BathTub. Shock's new video has quotes from the comments on the first AE blog post about him from AE hosts such as Jen, Tracie, and Martin where he either inserts new phrases into the quote that makes them seem far more hostile than they were originally or either mislabels them.<br /><br />He put's Matt D's name on a comment he had nothing to do with.<br /><br />This Shock dude truly blows my mind. I'd say terrible things about them, but apparently he'll make them up on his own when he reads this comment. :Dpendulousphallushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01219069212410322994noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33241741.post-90440443534539355932010-08-03T15:45:59.642-05:002010-08-03T15:45:59.642-05:00Here is the mirror (so rich doesn't get the vi...Here is the mirror (so rich doesn't get the views)<br />http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k9dpYsCrtlQBathTubhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14198295395639562763noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33241741.post-37075713224690461882010-08-03T15:45:06.373-05:002010-08-03T15:45:06.373-05:00Awesome, now someone has edited this blog post, an...Awesome, now someone has edited this blog post, and sent it to Rich as if that's how "Matt" wrote it.BathTubhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14198295395639562763noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33241741.post-15358573916688672422010-08-03T06:08:33.728-05:002010-08-03T06:08:33.728-05:00(Though it bears mentioning that you could have si...(Though it bears mentioning that you could have simply scrolled down two posts and read <a href="http://atheistexperience.blogspot.com/2010/07/answering-right-questions.html" rel="nofollow">Matt's detailed answer</a> to Rich's question. There's an even shorter, trivially easy answer: In light of the failure of any theist in history to provide conclusive and irrefutable evidence for a god's existence, non-belief in gods is the correct position.)Martinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17933545393470431585noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33241741.post-42143716346291847342010-08-03T04:26:30.525-05:002010-08-03T04:26:30.525-05:00Oh look. A Shocky fanboy.
"Theism": bel...Oh look. A Shocky fanboy.<br /><br />"Theism": belief in a god. Prefix "a-" = without.<br /><br />There is a form of atheism that <i>can</i> present itself as an affirmation that no gods exist. This is called strong atheism. But for most atheists, atheism is simply the rejection of theistic claims. Rejecting a claim does not automatically equate to the positive affirmation of an oppositional claim.<br /><br />In philosophy, the burden of proof rests upon the one making a positive claim. Theists assert a god exists (positive), atheists reject the claim (negative). Thus theists bear the burden of proof. Always.<br /><br />Thanks for playing. Next.Martinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17933545393470431585noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33241741.post-73557337964167734132010-08-03T03:13:40.994-05:002010-08-03T03:13:40.994-05:00You accuse Shock's question of being "con...You accuse Shock's question of being "content-free shifting-the-burden fallacy." However, it is the modern atheists who have been shifting the burden onto the Christian by trying to redefine atheism as just a "lack of belief in God." No, atheists, atheism is the affirmation there is no God, look it up in philosophy dictionaries; thus Shock's question asking for evidence that atheism is accurate and correct is perfectly valid.Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00128128197367872575noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33241741.post-40041664350565245642010-07-31T00:13:02.016-05:002010-07-31T00:13:02.016-05:00Jeremiah: I didn't figure you really meant an ...Jeremiah: I didn't figure you really meant an either/or thing, but I just wanted to clarify the spectrum of possibilities. <br /><br />I get your point, and obviously the fact that Iron Chariots exists isn't necessarily a counter to ShockofGod specifically. I think PZ Myers's position on debates, however, is the better idea: instead of engaging directly in a debate, set up in the same place with the same audience and give a separate presentation that addresses the claims. <br /><br />A decent example might be Thunderf00t's Why People Laugh at Creationists series. It occasionally becomes a clear one-to-one response, but more often it just uses clips of YouTube creationists as a springboard into explaining why their argument is wrong, and then moving on to real education about the science involved. The distinction might be a little hair-splitting, but I think it's a valid one. There's a difference between having a dialogue with someone, and quoting them. <br /><br />But it really comes down to a case-by-case, person-by-person thing.Tom Fosshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13796424725228769265noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33241741.post-15376820369205631232010-07-30T19:59:51.938-05:002010-07-30T19:59:51.938-05:00I apologize for flooding this post with comments. ...I apologize for flooding this post with comments. <br /><br />I think we can put an end to this hilarious catastrophe of an apologist by name dropping him in the announcements and inviting him to call in personally.<br /><br />I would love to see this clown flop about as Matt, Tracie, Jen or Jeff throw down the hurt on him when he can't fall back to ignoring the conversation when he realizes it can't go his way or that trying to aggravate by throwing out meaningless homophobic accusations or claim that atheism is madness.<br /><br />He's scared of you folks. You as a community should be proud. You have apologists who won't call in to ask a question, compared to callers calling in to threaten to punch you in the head for Jesus not three years ago.<br /><br />Also, thanks for reminding me I have an empty Blogger account. I had no idea until I started to comment in this thread.<br /><br />In summary, Shock is a scared little man who doesn't exist in the same world as most of us. He doesn't understand the terms "proof" and "evidence" but he throws them around because somebody made him look stupid with them in a conversation if I am allowed to speculate. He's a tired bigoted homophobe who is confused by the direction the world is taking.<br /><br />He's a bad person. I'm not used to bad people.<br /><br />I think name dropping him in the announcements with an invitation to call in would totally throw him off. He's already invited himself onto your show to appear live after a two-week deadline if you can answer his senseless question. How an ego like that can develop without anything to back it up baffles me, but I think it is sprung from a lack of self-confidence.<br /><br />Again, sorry to flood with comments. I mostly wanted to correct an error that made it seem like I said I would care that Shock called me gay when that could hardly be farther from the truth. Then I got started on calling him an asshole and well, time flies. Last comment I'll make -- promise.<br /><br />Keep up the awesome work, folks. ; )pendulousphallushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01219069212410322994noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33241741.post-51834138283381741912010-07-30T19:39:42.187-05:002010-07-30T19:39:42.187-05:00Friggin typos. I meant to say, "As if it matt...Friggin typos. I meant to say, "As if it matters to me." When I was talking about Shock accusing me of being gay.<br /><br />When he didn't get a rise out of me he just stopped replying.<br /><br />He also accused me of being Matt Dillahunty.pendulousphallushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01219069212410322994noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33241741.post-64806467633597946502010-07-30T18:16:21.660-05:002010-07-30T18:16:21.660-05:00@Tom Foss
Just to clarify, I wasn't really in...@Tom Foss<br /><br />Just to clarify, I wasn't really intending it to be an either/or type of response. Obviously it is a kind of a judgment call as to when to be confrontational.<br /><br />And I still don't know. To follow your example, I love Iron Chariots, but while it might address Shocks arguments, does it address his influence? Most of the people watching on Youtube won't scour the internet for a resource like iron chariots to hear the other side. Because that is kind of what I was getting at, is that regardless of right or wrong if certain ideas go unchallenged and gain influence then they can negatively impact peoples lives. The rise of Martin Luther's anti-semitism for example. <br /><br />I totally understand where you are coming from, but my point was mostly that it isn't always easy (at least in my opinion) to be able to tell when is the right time to confront someone and when some other means of dealing with the situation might be better. That and that it isn't always enough to challenge an ideas correctness, but it's influence as well.Jeremiahhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06977623156609966553noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33241741.post-1320416445796354592010-07-30T14:51:29.862-05:002010-07-30T14:51:29.862-05:00My bad Martin. I sent you the link before I saw th...My bad Martin. I sent you the link before I saw this blog. <br />What an arrogant jerkface that Rich guy is.Buster08https://www.blogger.com/profile/07227271585157087894noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33241741.post-83885987661205076102010-07-30T13:17:18.108-05:002010-07-30T13:17:18.108-05:00@Jen
Thanks for clearing that up. Well, I'm su...@Jen<br />Thanks for clearing that up. Well, I'm sure he instantly condemned his fanboy's sexist slur, right? (Right?)<br /><br />I think you're right. All the available evidence suggests this is someone who is of questionable character. His YouTube videos are, well, disturbing. The obsessiveness, the strange arguments, the "creep factor"--it's all very odd.Andyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08846174642301377160noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33241741.post-72386649739405760072010-07-30T10:50:41.275-05:002010-07-30T10:50:41.275-05:00As rational atheists, we enjoy laughing at the mor...As rational atheists, we enjoy laughing at the more ridiculous religious personalities (ie. Ray Comfort). We ridicule them as fools, pass their videos to our friends for a laugh, etc.<br /><br />The problem is that religious people, actually think that if atheists are laughing at these people, then they must have some 'cred'. As we know from Poe's Law, nothing is too ridiculous for these people to take seriously, so clowns like Ray Comfort have developed a bit of a following because of our quest for humour.<br /><br />Unfortunately for us atheists, the only way out of this situation might be for us to simply ignore the more ridiculous of apologists. But what fun would that be?Adminhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08435379042731604819noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33241741.post-17615856901269388612010-07-30T07:14:07.437-05:002010-07-30T07:14:07.437-05:00I answered his dumb question with the following. (...I answered his dumb question with the following. (Of course he won't post it and he still claims no atheist can answer his question.) <br /><br />I'm an atheist and I have evidence that atheism is accurate and correct. The proof is that I personally disbelieve in the existence of gods. This proves that atheism is accurate and correct because by definition atheism is the rejection of belief in the existence of deities.<br /><br />Now you can no longer claim that an atheist has never answered your question. And if you do otherwise then that's proof and evidence that you are a liar. <br /><br />Thanks for the question sir, it was extremely easy to answer.imadallasguyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15100501702834725801noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33241741.post-34113757420172159092010-07-30T00:17:36.652-05:002010-07-30T00:17:36.652-05:00Jeremiah: But.. on the other hand there is the thi...Jeremiah: <b>But.. on the other hand there is the thinking that "All that is necessary for the triumph of evil over good is for good people to do nothing". The notion that if you are silent and don't challenge people like that then they will just run roughshod over your rights. The loudest voices tend to rally the masses for good or ill.</b><br /><br />You're setting up a bit of a false dichotomy there. It's not a choice between "publicly debate/respond to these people" and "be completely silent." You can respond to apologetics without citing specific apologists--that's the Iron Chariots model, after all. It's almost certainly better to do it that way, since you're addressing arguments that lots of people use, and since doing so allows you to avoid even the mistaken perception of committing ad hominem-type fallacies. <br /><br />There are certainly times to respond to specific apologists, and situations where even debates are warranted (especially when they have little prestige or fame to gain from the debate--like when savvy students debate Creationists), and I think calling out ShockofGod for dishonesty or ridiculing Ray Comfort's idiocy are those kinds of times. <br /><br />But we can loudly debunk idiotic arguments without giving credence or time to the idiots themselves. And that's doing something.Tom Fosshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13796424725228769265noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33241741.post-55268328891324526682010-07-30T00:03:09.111-05:002010-07-30T00:03:09.111-05:00I'm afraid I have to admit I have not actually...I'm afraid I have to admit I have not actually seen Casablanca, but I dug the analogy. Just reading the line "If I gave you any thought, I probably would" made me feel the pain that character surely would have felt. <br /><br />I mean, really. Ouch! Complete and utter disregard for someone expressed so succinctly...magx01https://www.blogger.com/profile/14831638782847911405noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33241741.post-15787485441340187992010-07-29T19:11:04.372-05:002010-07-29T19:11:04.372-05:00@Andy - that actually wasn't Rich. It was one ...@Andy - that actually wasn't Rich. It was one of his deluded fanboys. The whole exchange was quite comical - in a pathetic sort of way.<br /><br />People like this reveal their character in many ways, usually without any provocation from others. I'm sure the last thing this guy expected was to get a substantive response 13 minutes after he sent his email. He knew he was out of his league, so he hurled an insult and ran away. <br /><br />He did leave his breadcrumbs all over the internet, though. I was able to find a complaint that he filed against a moving company a while back that contained a racist remark and a whine about "profanity and verbal abuse." Talk about revealing your character.<br /><br />In any case, I think we have ample information to form an opinion about the kind of person Rich Allen is, and the kind of people who associate with him.Rational Jenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14122282788630579139noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33241741.post-78227530516496298632010-07-29T18:44:50.996-05:002010-07-29T18:44:50.996-05:00Well said, I tried getting this guy to call in for...Well said, I tried getting this guy to call in for at least a week before I found out that you guys have actually heard of this clown and during that wasted time all I got were veiled threats, accusations that I am gay (as that matters to me), and more accusations that I was gay.<br /><br />I think I can put this issue well behind me now. I'm not used to running into genuinely bad people, I guess I found the experience [pun]shocking[/pun].pendulousphallushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01219069212410322994noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33241741.post-20322946443468094922010-07-29T18:09:03.026-05:002010-07-29T18:09:03.026-05:00This is perfect. Shockster got me to watch a coupl...This is perfect. Shockster got me to watch a couple of his videos and every time I responded he blocked my comments and gave me some major bullshit. I asked my friend if I should make a video rebuttal, and he gave me the same sentiment Martin expressed here. He's not worth it, because thinking people on both sides can call the bullshit immediately. I think WLC would give this guy the finger.Larkinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07269555517221528429noreply@blogger.com