tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33241741.post7056335070267917400..comments2023-09-24T07:53:50.826-05:00Comments on The Atheist Experience™: Meanwhile, back in reality...Unknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger8125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33241741.post-54004814382222243662008-03-04T11:33:00.000-06:002008-03-04T11:33:00.000-06:00I know. I just don't understand why this isn't ask...I know. I just don't understand why this isn't asked more often when the issue comes up. The discussions are always with them attacking evolution and scientists or us laymen doing one of two things, either defending evolution or showing how creationism isn't a proper scientific theory since it's unfalsifiable. What I don't hear posed to the creationists is, "so what does your idea bring to science?" I think that should be asked, because they can't answer it any way other than non-scientifically, which should submarine the whole idea of it being spoken of in the same circles as science. Essentially, they'd be "expelling" themselves with their answers.PhillyChiefhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03355892225956705948noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33241741.post-25076024164311317862008-03-04T11:04:00.000-06:002008-03-04T11:04:00.000-06:00Scientifically, none. Psychologically, there's a h...Scientifically, none. Psychologically, there's a huge point, which is to defend belief in the face of an onslaught of robustly supported facts.<BR/><BR/>Christianity's most cruel and pernicious bit of programming is to convince believers that if it is untrue, then their lives mean nothing. In a sense, a number of religions shackle their believers through similar psychological manipulation. But it seems that both Christianity and Islam are the most aggressive and overt in brainwashing their believers into being absolutely convinced that <I>nothing means anything</I> unless the religion is true.<BR/><BR/>Philip Johnson has harped on this as a major pitch in his whole anti-evolution campaign. If evolution is true, then we didn't come from a God, and thus there's no reason for morals, for love, for living at all. The pitiful uneducated rubes lap it up.<BR/><BR/>Deep down Christianity knows it's really just mind-slavery. And anything that threatens to break those chains and emancipate the enslaved must be fought tooth and nail, if Christianity wants to continue to have any relevance in what <I>should</I> have graduated into a wholly enlightened and rational, scientific culture centuries ago.<BR/><BR/>How's that for a "sermon"? :-DMartinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17933545393470431585noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33241741.post-15286296284924007892008-03-04T10:20:00.000-06:002008-03-04T10:20:00.000-06:00One thing that is consistently absent from this wh...One thing that is consistently absent from this whole creationist rhetoric is what will it do for science? Seriously, exactly what does it bring to the table? How do you apply "god did it" to research, to experimentation, to working out new theories that will benefit humanity? I have yet to hear anything like this from them. In short, what's the point of creationism?PhillyChiefhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03355892225956705948noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33241741.post-9634260685010513492008-03-02T23:28:00.000-06:002008-03-02T23:28:00.000-06:00You're probably referring to things that were brou...You're probably referring to things that were brought up in Jonathan Wells' book <I>Icons of Evolution</I>. Short version: Haeckel's embryo drawings were wrong, and there are photos of peppered moths that appear in textbooks that were staged for illustrative purposes. But in neither case is it accurate to call either case a "hoax." Well's book is full of misrepresentations and falsehoods and has come under a great deal of criticism.<BR/><BR/>For more details: <A HREF="http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/wells/haeckel.html" REL="nofollow">Haeckel's embryos ("ontogeny recapitulates phylogeny")</A> and <A HREF="http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/wells/iconob.html#moths" REL="nofollow">peppered moths</A>. Here also are complete rebuttals of Wells' book by <A HREF="http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/wells/iconob.html" REL="nofollow">Nick Matzke</A> and <A HREF="http://www.ncseweb.org/icons/" REL="nofollow">Alan Gishlick</A>.Martinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17933545393470431585noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33241741.post-50450603662477180962008-03-02T22:08:00.000-06:002008-03-02T22:08:00.000-06:00I ran across something the other day, which I thin...I ran across something the other day, which I think is disturbing - scientific proofs of evolution that have turned out to be hoaxes, but are still taught in high school and college textbooks. I'll get a link to where I found it, but it was "ontogeny recapitulates phylogeny", and the moths in Britain that turned black - apparently hoaxes. Thoughts on that?Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09437117482018330463noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33241741.post-25702770403121871242008-03-01T21:33:00.000-06:002008-03-01T21:33:00.000-06:00Convergence is one of the most intriguing and fasc...Convergence is one of the most intriguing and fascinating aspects of evolution. Both anatomical and molecular convergence are things <A HREF="http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/comdesc/section3.html#morphological_analogy" REL="nofollow">we would expect to find</A> if macroevolution is true.Luis Cayetanohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05210714337197709016noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33241741.post-31545300868323099172008-02-29T19:03:00.000-06:002008-02-29T19:03:00.000-06:00I hear that a lot of creationists are advocating h...I hear that a lot of creationists are advocating home schooling for their children so they aren't "ruined" by the terrible godless public schools. I just hope this will cause them to quit pushing so hard for creationism in schools since one of these days I may have a kid myself.<BR/>...of course that is wishful thinking...Tenduhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09009126249664769982noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33241741.post-42159426853903527302008-02-29T11:51:00.000-06:002008-02-29T11:51:00.000-06:00This doesn't surprise me, since the theory is that...This doesn't surprise me, since the theory is that AIDS/HIV started with one single monkey.Flora Korkishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01738281840344734676noreply@blogger.com