tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33241741.post6477466383992541870..comments2023-09-24T07:53:50.826-05:00Comments on The Atheist Experience™: The Quran and the speed of lightUnknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger31125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33241741.post-30944855059527600402011-08-20T03:33:47.104-05:002011-08-20T03:33:47.104-05:00newerehmi said:
"A point that you should know...newerehmi said:<br />"A point that you should know: quran wasn't revealed but to Muhammad (peace be upon him), all for his and his people point of view, which is arabs. On their century, they count 1 year as 12 lunar (so of course 1000 year = 12000 lunar). They didn't have the calender to count DAY by DAY. And quran was not revealed to a scientist!"<br /><br />Actually they counted Lunar periods (29,5 days)<br />not lunar orbits (27 days)<br />When you take that difference for 1000 years it adds up to a difference of 26507 days <br /><br />If you are a Muslim you should know about Islamic calender (at least for Ramadan) and that one month there takes either 29 or 30 days. And you can open up the website of those miracle traders to see that they have taken 27 point something days<br />You already posses the knowledge to debunk this, I should not even tell you about this, if you only take one skeptical look you will see<br /><br />So what this miracle suggests is that Allah (you know supposedly all-knowing) has missed the speed of light by 26507 days when he said "1000 years of WHAT YOU COUNT"<br /><br />mustafa said:<br />"the speed of light bit taken from quran even if wrong..it will only be human error..you cannot prove quran wrong by proving a man's interpretation of quran wrong...did you know quran says that the earth is geospherical.I guess no."<br />No I did not know that... In fact I knew that someone calculated Earth's cicumference quite accurately before Quran even existed on this Earth<br />http://geography.about.com/od/historyofgeography/a/eratosthenes.htm<br /><br />@Atheists<br />Don't rely on evangelists for anything, just check the verse and the numbers and the calculation something HAS TO BE wrong, it always isFlame of the Easthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02033702898942581821noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33241741.post-85818153602622995922011-07-19T16:13:34.623-05:002011-07-19T16:13:34.623-05:00the speed of light bit taken from quran even if wr...the speed of light bit taken from quran even if wrong..it will only be human error..you cannot prove quran wrong by proving a man's interpretation of quran wrong...did you know quran says that the earth is geospherical.I guess no.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00008509205060164209noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33241741.post-75930535521371038042011-06-13T02:39:07.902-05:002011-06-13T02:39:07.902-05:00Then tell me, how could the calculation result equ...Then tell me, how could the calculation result equivalent to the speed of light? On which part do you want to claim that it is wrong?Rahimie Ahmadhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09613829823559135903noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33241741.post-70918244171301330762011-06-13T00:59:23.099-05:002011-06-13T00:59:23.099-05:00But, we in the modern day, can use it as the sign ...<i>But, we in the modern day, can use it as the sign of His Existence! </i><br /><br />No we can't. The passage contains no more scientifically interesting information than does "Jabberwocky." You seem to want to reiterate the claim by just repeating it and pretend the post commenting on that didn't happen.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05324968314168283095noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33241741.post-32797097491435882072011-06-12T23:35:18.111-05:002011-06-12T23:35:18.111-05:00A point that you should know: quran wasn't rev...A point that you should know: quran wasn't revealed but to Muhammad (peace be upon him), all for his and his people point of view, which is arabs. On their century, they count 1 year as 12 lunar (so of course 1000 year = 12000 lunar). They didn't have the calender to count DAY by DAY. And quran was not revealed to a scientist! So, what do you expect for the Word to have a scientific word in it? will the people of that century (7th) believe it? The non-believer of that time will ridicule more then. And quran wasn't revealed but as a Sign to the believer so they believe in God, NOT as the SCIENCE to the believer. Not everyone a scholar, not everyone a scientist. But, we in the modern day, can use it as the sign of His Existence! <br /><br />Say: "O men! I am sent unto you all, as the Messenger of God, to Whom belongeth the dominion of the heavens and the earth: there is no god but He: it is He That giveth both life and death. So believe in God and His Messenger, the [b]Unlettered Prophet[/b], who believeth in God and His words: follow him that (so) ye may be guided." [quran 7:158]Rahimie Ahmadhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09613829823559135903noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33241741.post-80737668584143156092010-09-18T08:36:30.163-05:002010-09-18T08:36:30.163-05:00"...makes no reference whatsoever to moons or..."...makes no reference whatsoever to moons or distances or even the number 12"<br /><br />The verse in question states, "(Allah) Rules the cosmic affair from the heavens to the Earth. Then this affair travels to Him a distance in one day, at a measure of one thousand years of what you count."<br /><br />Key phrase being "one thousand years of what /you/ measure." Muslims use the lunar calendar (lunar = moon, obviously). Each year has 12 months. That's what they count. That's where the moon and number 12 came from.Wanderlusthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06922777033532973709noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33241741.post-31440469522613570172010-08-18T11:21:28.525-05:002010-08-18T11:21:28.525-05:00It would be interesting to know what the Quran (or...It would be interesting to know what the Quran (or any other holy book) can predict on questions not yet answered by science:<br /><br />1. Are there elementary particles yest to find?<br /><br />2. Is it possible to travel in time?<br /><br />3. Are we alone in the galaxy, or the universe?<br /><br />Most scolars understand these questions and a correct answer will be an obvious merit for there holy book.Trashhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17566092314462155177noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33241741.post-1907508804912174792010-08-18T10:43:38.813-05:002010-08-18T10:43:38.813-05:00The good thing in things like this, that aren'...The good thing in things like this, that aren't Christian, that you can try using them to show Christians that people with other religions feel the same (and do the same), and their religion is not the only one.<br />I guess.ernobiushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13872778498473437876noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33241741.post-55334457824861418292010-08-17T21:49:03.576-05:002010-08-17T21:49:03.576-05:00One of the hardest things to do in this world is t...One of the hardest things to do in this world is to distinguish between what you want to be true and what you are actually perceiving.<br />How many times in your life have you looked back on events only to realize all the signs where there for something that(at the time) took you by surprise. Or saw all the signs you wanted to see which weren't signs at all. <br />It's amazing how when you really really want something to be true you can always find support for it.Rhetorichttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05794997737926191561noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33241741.post-6721194491377861922010-08-17T21:12:00.908-05:002010-08-17T21:12:00.908-05:00Also on the earlier one on "Quaran predicts p...Also on the earlier one on "Quaran predicts plant genders" Plants themselves are usually not male/female. For most, each plant has male and female genitalia. Not going into the alternative generations, of course.Inghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13024689390434414829noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33241741.post-29641562399114146972010-08-17T20:56:11.710-05:002010-08-17T20:56:11.710-05:00Hey the Jabberwocky has great insights into medici...Hey the Jabberwocky has great insights into medicine and anatomy that could ONLY be supernatural!<br /><br />After all it predicted the fact that you can't survive decapitation LONG before modern medical science figured it out.<br /><br />Are you saying you can survive with your head cut off? I think not, Mr. Glasser! GOOD DAY SIR!Inghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13024689390434414829noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33241741.post-73449432670193912212010-08-17T20:04:25.689-05:002010-08-17T20:04:25.689-05:00There seems to be some confusion about number of s...There seems to be some confusion about number of seconds in a day: Kazim you are correct when you say that a day in the usual sense of the word has 86400 seconds (ignoring leap seconds etc) but they video mentions a sidereal day. There is an important difference: the usual meaning of day is a mean solar day, the average interval between times when the sun is at its highest point in the sky. <br /><br />A sidereal day is instead defined with respect to the distant stars, and differs from a solar day because in addition to rotating on its axis, the earth orbits the sun. So it takes 23 hours 56 minutes for the earth to complete a full revolution with respect to the fixed stars, but a further 4 minutes until the sun is once again at its highest point, because the earth has moved along its orbit, and with respect to the fixed stars, the direction from the earth to the sun has changed.<br /><br />The passage from the Koran does use the word day, but does not specify the sidereal day, just like it doesn't mention the speed of light, any reference to distance, the orbit of the moon or, well, anything really.<br /><br />For the pedants, I'm ignoring the effect of precession since it's almost negligible.Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18367287881748896827noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33241741.post-481519148679835272010-08-17T19:58:52.994-05:002010-08-17T19:58:52.994-05:00Okay. If that's the case, then why didn't ...Okay. If that's the case, then why didn't the ancient Muslims know what the speed of light was? <br /><br />I had one annoyingly long discussion with one of these "secrets in the Quran" folks a bit ago. I kept explaining to him this very point. He went so far as to say "we didn't have the tools to know back then". Yes, I needed to point out the almighty may have been able to throw the tool info in there also. When he <i>finally</i> understood what I was saying, he was amazed that this mattered to me. The point wasn't to share the information with us, he claimed. Apparently the reason things like the speed of light were put in there is so that when we do actually discover them, we then realize what a great and wonderful book it is.<br /><br />Honestly. He didn't miss a beat. The scary thing is that I really don't think he would have been any more impressed if the writings were actually teaching legitimate unknowns.rrpostalhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03336728549010108830noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33241741.post-74309315768268890702010-08-17T17:58:22.993-05:002010-08-17T17:58:22.993-05:00Good stuff on the orbit of the earth around the su...Good stuff on the orbit of the earth around the sun Curt. Stuff like that is why I love science so much. :)<br /><br />I don't know about anyone else but to me, learning about the actual mechanics of why something is the way it is, that is 1000 times more interesting and satisfying than thinking that a divine force 'just made it so'.Jeremiahhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06977623156609966553noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33241741.post-8373072449572572552010-08-17T17:34:33.789-05:002010-08-17T17:34:33.789-05:00@Curt Cameron
Thanks, I wasn't familiar with ...@Curt Cameron<br /><br />Thanks, I wasn't familiar with those concepts. It's good to know.JThttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08881036419280903737noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33241741.post-57822079860306700602010-08-17T17:15:49.088-05:002010-08-17T17:15:49.088-05:00You could, if you were so inclined, do exactly the...<i><b>You could, if you were so inclined, do exactly the same thing with "The Canterbury Tales," "The Epic of Gilgamesh," or Lewis Carrol's "Jabberwocky."</b></i><br /><br />This is pretty much what was done with <i>Moby Dick</i> in order to debunk the "Bible Code" nonsense.Paul S. Jenkinshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15580170289410948764noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33241741.post-81547928227699176602010-08-17T16:37:28.847-05:002010-08-17T16:37:28.847-05:00@Simon (third post):
You're right, breathless...@Simon (third post):<br /><br />You're right, breathlessly citing big numbers like "That's over twenty times the distance between the Earth and the Sun!" is a pet peeve of mine that creationists use frequently, and you're right that it's the percent error that should be reported.<br /><br />However, my point here is not just how much the numbers are off. The number used in the Quran ("a thousand years of what you count") is absurdly unspecific. Not only does it make not direct reference to the moon at all, but it has, you know, ONE significant digit. From a literary point of view, it's like saying "40 days and 40 nights"; all it's meant to signify is "some really big number."<br /><br />As such, it's a Rorshach test. People can superimpose whatever they want over "what you count," and pick their units in whatever way will mean something, and translate the final number into whatever sciency-sounding term seems to fit.<br /><br />Given all those degrees of freedom, 12% error is still remarkably shitty as a "hit".Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05324968314168283095noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33241741.post-61458301236271967282010-08-17T15:56:30.430-05:002010-08-17T15:56:30.430-05:00Well, you know, in the Land of Religion, there'...Well, you know, in the Land of Religion, there's no such thing as a "coincidence"--just miracles!<br /><br />Gimmie a calculator and an hour, and I'll make any holy text seem prophetic. Oh, look, the Israelites wandered for forty years--and 40 x 2 is 80. Ronald Reagan was elected in 1980. That must mean Reagan is (was?) the Messiah!Andyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08846174642301377160noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33241741.post-53976648351173262882010-08-17T15:02:31.981-05:002010-08-17T15:02:31.981-05:00Typo in your second paragraph:
"Speed of lot...Typo in your second paragraph:<br /><br />"Speed of lot" ?James A. Brownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12580984579089010427noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33241741.post-21607427946265710772010-08-17T14:58:45.707-05:002010-08-17T14:58:45.707-05:00@JT
I don't know. I'm not an astronomer. ...@JT<br /><br />I don't know. I'm not an astronomer. Ask them. I just remembered having read in a science book that the day was actually 23 hours, 56 minutes and went to look it up to verify.<br /><br /><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solar_time" rel="nofollow">Solar Time</a> and <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sidereal_time" rel="nofollow">Sidereal Time</a><br /><br />There are plenty of ways to mock this ridiculous idea. We don't need bad math making us look bad.KaylaKazehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07558865889432635272noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33241741.post-74579022452393821992010-08-17T14:23:40.188-05:002010-08-17T14:23:40.188-05:00JT wrote:
"1) What's the purpose of the l...JT wrote:<br /><i>"1) What's the purpose of the leap year (day), then?"</i><br /><br />I don't know what you're asking - nothing KaylaKaze wrote pertains to leap years in a significant way.<br /><br /><i>"2) What causes the earth's angular velocity to slow down, then speed up again?"</i><br /><br />It doesn't. But because the Earth travels around the Sun in an ellipse instead of a perfect circle causes what he was talking about.<br /><br />If you define a "day" as the time from when the Sun appears at its highest point (local noon), until it does this the next time, that will average out to be 24 hours, but it won't be exactly 24 hours every time. Not because the Earth is speeding up or slowing down its rotation, but because of the path the Earth takes around the Sun.<br /><br />Imagine you set up a camera on a tripod and have it take a picture of the Sun's position every day for a year, with the pictures being exactly 24 hours apart. Besides the North-to-South motion you'd expect from the change of seasons, there's also an East-West variation. During part of the year (which is winter in the North BTW), the Earth is actually closer to the Sun. Since it's closer, there are two effects that cause the apparent position of the Sun to move faster: 1) it's closer so the angle of its movement changes faster, and 2) in an elliptical orbit, the Earth actually is at the fastest part of its orbit when it's closest to the Sun.<br /><br />So if you combine all those pictures and map the position of the Sun over the course of a year, you'll see a figure-eight pattern. You may have seen this because it's traditionally printed on globes. The pattern is called the analemma.<br /><br />So if you define a day as an exact 24-hour period, you'll see the Sun move back-and-forth over the course of a year. If you define a day as the time it takes the Sun to be in the same place, then some days are shorter and some are longer.Curt Cameronhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08048312089881459521noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33241741.post-69275441855363576742010-08-17T13:52:29.905-05:002010-08-17T13:52:29.905-05:00"Those angels take their orders from a Preser..."Those angels take their orders from a Preserved Tablet somewhere in outer space, and not from God's Throne. They commute to and from this Preserved Tablet to get their orders from God. In the following verse, the Quran describes how angels travel when they commute to and from this Tablet. And the speed at which they commute to and from this Tablet turned out to be the known speed of light:"<br /><br />Huh, that explains why a lot of muslims still live in the 1500's, the angels are limited to the speed of light, and Allah must be over 250 light years away. Seems like a crappy system, but hey, I'm not god...Ithonicfuryhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13954473314799411412noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33241741.post-26758316890820897132010-08-17T13:42:24.665-05:002010-08-17T13:42:24.665-05:00@JT
Significant geological events, such as the 20...@JT<br /><br />Significant geological events, such as the 2004 earthquake that caused the tsunamis, can cause earth's rotation to speed up (marginallY).JDhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07468586709952502011noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33241741.post-79516353217567396432010-08-17T13:39:24.277-05:002010-08-17T13:39:24.277-05:00Just my two cents...
My take on this sort of thin...Just my two cents...<br /><br />My take on this sort of thing is a symptom of cognitive dissonance. People get taught to believe the quran has been send from heaven, literally by allah. But science tells different things. And it is darn hard to invalidate those discoveries. That's when cognitive dissonance kicks in. They are turning tricks to to keep their original ideas intact. <br /><br />I must honestly say, that because I'm from holland some sentences are difficult to understand (even though my blog is also written in english. Or maybe it is an attempt)on this site. What I'm trying to say is, that I can totally be beside the mark here.Deviant and Fragilehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02605094659354110992noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33241741.post-82330118123456815002010-08-17T13:07:31.598-05:002010-08-17T13:07:31.598-05:00It's really astonishing that some people find ...It's really astonishing that some people find claims of fantastic scientific insights in ancient religious texts believable.Justin B.https://www.blogger.com/profile/06430484429517190406noreply@blogger.com