tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33241741.post4140140179748543976..comments2023-09-24T07:53:50.826-05:00Comments on The Atheist Experience™: On civility and its boundariesUnknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger71125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33241741.post-10769212926092946392008-06-20T01:01:00.000-05:002008-06-20T01:01:00.000-05:00Oh, I forgot to mention that Yomin was also caught...Oh, I forgot to mention that Yomin was also caught red handed posting 'sock puppet' comments under other names in response to Cline's criticisms of his article.<BR/><BR/>By the way thanks Damien,<BR/>'Pulling a Yomin' is definitely part of my vocabulary now. :DDingoDavehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18386229762871857788noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33241741.post-13593327284794252852008-06-20T00:38:00.000-05:002008-06-20T00:38:00.000-05:00Austin Cline has been giving him a hammering as we...Austin Cline has been giving him a hammering as well over at about.com<BR/>Postelnik has also been over there pulling yet another 'Yomin' and getting hammered in the comments section. He even got invoved in a debate about evolution while he was there, and once again publicly displayed his abysmal ignorance about all things scientific.<BR/>It's a bit sad really.<BR/><BR/>You can find it here.<BR/>http://atheism.about.com/b/2008/05/26/yomin-postelnik-why-some-liberals-unresponsive-to-falsehoods-illogic.htm#gB3DingoDavehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18386229762871857788noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33241741.post-65650520755864042472008-06-19T19:28:00.000-05:002008-06-19T19:28:00.000-05:00Postelnik also posted a number of threads at Free ...Postelnik also posted a number of threads at Free Republic, one claiming to be the victim an attack by a *Militant Atheist Group*. He repeats his attacks on Martin and Russel. <BR/><BR/><BR/>http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/chat/2031294/posts<BR/><BR/>Oddly enough (well, not really; this IS FR) he's gotten mostly positive feedback. He's been a poster there for 4 years. Then again, they have a wide assortment of kooks posting. He more or less blends into the mix. Mixed nuts. :)<BR/><BR/>I notice his wiki page has been removed though. His head must be ready to explode. The discussion about whether to delete it was instructive:<BR/><BR/>http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Yomin_Postelnik&diff=220249270&oldid=220248787Robert Murphyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07033480946125943548noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33241741.post-72388280159918000372008-06-17T17:07:00.000-05:002008-06-17T17:07:00.000-05:00Don't get me wrong--I don't for a second doubt tha...<I>Don't get me wrong--I don't for a second doubt that some idiots went and shredded his Wiki page--but it's paranoid conspiracy nut realm to think it was "organized" by militant atheists...</I><BR/><BR/>Actually, a quick scan of the edit history of Yomin's Wiki page indicates the person who's done the most recent editing to it is himself. One person whose IP address tracks to the UK, I believe, made an edit calling attention to the recent events culminating in Yomin's libels on <I>my</I> Wiki pages. But while that may be what Wikipedia calls vandalism, materially it was true (in noted contrast to my being accused of diddling the kiddies), and of course, I didn't tell the guy to do it.<BR/><BR/>The Freepers are, of course, the wingnut fringe of the far right. Naturally Yomin would find a sympathetic ear and "moral" validation there. That's where people have gone to post that they'd kill Hillary if she were elected. I can't imagine what the Freepers are saying about Obama, or about gay marriage in California, and frankly, since finding out would be as painful as masturbating with steel wool, I'd rather not know.Martinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17933545393470431585noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33241741.post-3218128947010812052008-06-17T16:34:00.000-05:002008-06-17T16:34:00.000-05:00I think it's great that on that forum you linked t...I think it's great that on that forum you linked to he accuses people of having, "no life outside of the internet," when he has created no fewer than four blogs, two news reports, sent numerous emails, and made some wikipedia edits over this. And that's just in the last couple of days.<BR/><BR/>Oh, and they linked over to this on Pharyngula: <BR/><BR/>http://www.canadafreepress.com/index.php/article/3488<BR/><BR/>Don't go and comment on it of course, lest you be stalking him "all over the internet" as he goes about, trash talking you "all over the internet."Inky, Pinky, Blinky and Clydehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12705763038336992299noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33241741.post-73916165142872822462008-06-17T16:29:00.000-05:002008-06-17T16:29:00.000-05:00I just want to add that while I've seen the Wiki d...I just want to add that while I've seen the Wiki deletion debate, I have not participated, nor do I intend to do so. That being said, apparently his solicitation to get people to go tell Wiki to keep his article up has had some impact (not exactly positive--who'da guessed?)<BR/><BR/>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Yomin_Postelnik<BR/><BR/>>ATTENTION! <BR/>>If you came here because someone asked you to, or you read a message on a forum, please note that this is not a majority vote...<BR/><BR/>He has an unnatural knack for _doing_ the things he accuses others of doing (that they're not doing).<BR/><BR/>While I can't say that there hasn't been a call in any atheist forums to get his page deleted, I can say I've been around, and I sure haven't seen him. The only person doing any sort of organized targeting toward his Wiki page is him.<BR/><BR/>He doesn't get that atheists act indepedently--acting independently is just outside his range of imagination.<BR/><BR/>For the record: If 1,000 atheists e-mail you, nine times out of ten, it isn't because another atheist told them to. Nobody has to organize an "attack" of that sort.<BR/><BR/>And immature vandals are acting independently--not under Martin's or Richard Dawkin's control.<BR/><BR/>The only person going out and trying to rally for organized attacks is Yomin. The only person's IP address that's been ID'ed vandalizing a Wiki page is Yomin's.<BR/><BR/>Don't get me wrong--I don't for a second doubt that some idiots went and shredded his Wiki page--but it's paranoid conspiracy nut realm to think it was "organized" by militant atheists (what the hell is a "militant" atheist anyway--how many of us are suicide bombing? Oh, none--that would be the theists, right?)<BR/><BR/>He accuses others of doing this crap, because it's the sort of crap he would do (and does). He thinks and acts this way, and he can't imagine others might not. It's that lack of ability to conceive of the perspective of "others" that is SO sadly common in the Xian community--especially the conservative branches. Sad, sad, sad!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33241741.post-76156326784298935942008-06-17T16:19:00.000-05:002008-06-17T16:19:00.000-05:00He got a lot of support here:http://www.freerepubl...He got a lot of support here:<BR/><BR/>http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/2031294/posts<BR/><BR/>Almost no one even bothered to look up the issue before taking everything he said on faith. How predictable based on the demographic. But how sad that his story requires that nobody check it out in order for others to be sympathetic.<BR/><BR/>At the last, he solicits for people to slam Wiki to help keep his page up. And blames "atheists"--again--for getting it's notability called into question with the Wiki editors. Couldn't possibly be related to anything he's done to piss people off an call attention to himself, right?<BR/><BR/>His Wiki page was vandalized by awful people? Before I shed a tear, let me just say, "Pot...kettle...?"Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33241741.post-85307571931278828892008-06-17T10:44:00.000-05:002008-06-17T10:44:00.000-05:00More to the point, is there any opinion anywhere o...More to the point, is there any opinion anywhere on the net supportive of his position that was not posted by Yomin Postelnik himself?Cafeeine Addictedhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02011016176276511661noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33241741.post-62729161875424329552008-06-17T10:16:00.000-05:002008-06-17T10:16:00.000-05:00I don't doubt I'm the only one to notice this, but...I don't doubt I'm the only one to notice this, but just to have it "said," has anyone noticed that these blogs that YP created regarding the "truth" about MW have "0 comments" and moderation is enabled?<BR/><BR/>Beyond the obvious interpretation--does this mean nobody has shown up to post supportive comments yet? (And if I post this will supportive sock puppets begin to post comments shortly afterward?)<BR/><BR/>Just a thought.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33241741.post-25735537603856333532008-06-16T21:13:00.000-05:002008-06-16T21:13:00.000-05:00I wonder, if this continues at this rate, if the n...I wonder, if this continues at this rate, if the new way the internet will describe self-character assassination will be "pulling a Yomin".<BR/><BR/>Despite the tragedy unfolding here, this could be a welcome addition to internet vernacular to remind people what they should do when they find themselves in a similar situation, less they end up pulling a Yomin!Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08481216009948063890noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33241741.post-16469041238748461422008-06-16T17:28:00.000-05:002008-06-16T17:28:00.000-05:00Yomin will be happy to know that because of all hi...Yomin will be happy to know that because of all his carrying on, a Google search for the single term "Yomin" now lists Martin's original post first among the results. Congratulations!Chris Johnsonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13762364982656844703noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33241741.post-13686150828373872502008-06-16T17:26:00.000-05:002008-06-16T17:26:00.000-05:00>I just want this ended. What's so hard to underst...>I just want this ended. What's so hard to understand?<BR/><BR/>Yomin: What's hard to understand is that you say one thing and _do_ another. You claim to want it ended, but you keep adding fuel to the fire by spreading your dirty laundry all over the place. How on Earth is that a means to your desired "end"?<BR/><BR/>Everywhere you've slung your mud so far has ended up in a quagmire where people have been openly critical of you and your claims. But it hasn't stopped you (or even slowed you down) from doing it again and again and again.<BR/><BR/>So, despite your claim that you want it to end, your actions--collecting repeated abuse from strangers at all corners of the Internet--seem to belie that agenda. The question is more along the lines of "Why is he doing this to himself and then getting upset about it?" It's a curiosity of sorts to most of the people here, because of all the irrational theists we thought we'd seen, you've really taken the crown at this point.<BR/><BR/>I personally believe you don't like the feeling of being the subject of criticism and insults, simply because most people don't enjoy it. But if you will examine your own actions in the past week, you will see that you are actually doing everything you can to find newer and more effective ways of soliciting abuse from strangers on the Internet.<BR/><BR/>That's what isn't understood by people who are watching and scratching their heads. Many people are finding this funny, because it's like watching someone step on a rake over and over again, and each time harder than the last--all the while yelling "OUCH! WHY is this happening to me???"<BR/><BR/>OK, on the one hand, I can't deny there's a macabre humor about it. But on the other hand, I am getting that you're in real pain here. You are so strongly identifying with the idea that you're being persecuted that you honestly don't understand that none of this would be happening if you would just take a hard honest look at what you're doing and ask if the reactions you're getting weren't completely predictable BEFORE you ever acted.<BR/><BR/>Anyone could have seen any of this coming a mile away, except, it seems, for you. You have _got_ to start making a mental connection between your _actions_ and the _reactions_ you're getting back, or this type of mystification about why other people [mis]treat you the way they do will haunt you for years to come.<BR/><BR/>I do not believe this is the only time anything like this has ever occurred in your life. I'm guessing the feeling of being victimized and wronged is very familiar to you--even if this is a new level of escalation that you've reached.<BR/><BR/>Can you really not fathom that everything that has happened in this drama (commedy? tragedy?) so far has been nothing BUT _reaction/s_ to _your_ action/s? And all of the escalation is a _direct result_ of those actions.<BR/><BR/>Dragging your dirty laundry all over this green Earth and then bemoaning that you can't understand how this became such a huge mess, is absurd. And it makes _you_ look absurd. And I feel for you, because it's clear you can't really even see how you're doing this to yourself.<BR/><BR/>I'm sorry for you. I'm trying to give you helpful input. But you've got to take some responsiblity here and grasp that you have always had control of this situation and what happened here. <BR/><BR/>The power to direct the outcome of this scenario has never left your hands. You had the power to keep it lowkey or to escalate it. You chose to escalate it at EVERY available opportunity you could dream up or create.<BR/><BR/>You have total control of this. Do with that information what you will. Keep ramping it up or let it die. It's always been your choice.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33241741.post-23777625684701390412008-06-16T17:25:00.000-05:002008-06-16T17:25:00.000-05:00Martin doesn't have many goons to summon forth.How...<I>Martin doesn't have many goons to summon forth.</I><BR/><BR/>How true. Mine are all folding laundry right now. Good help is hard to find!Martinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17933545393470431585noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33241741.post-78590319474637808432008-06-16T16:56:00.000-05:002008-06-16T16:56:00.000-05:00Yomin, there is a very easy way to make this all e...Yomin, there is a very easy way to make this all end if you want it to end, it has even already been suggested: just stop.<BR/><BR/>Stop commenting here. Stop making new blogs dedicated entirely to talking about how much of a mean dick Martin is supposed to be. Stop whining at religious forums which are no more sympathetic to your crappy article than we are. Stop making fake news reports. Stop throwing random and unfounded accusations of criminal behavior at your detractors. Stop whining about him thinking that you inserted libelous comments into his wikipedia page because, unless you manage to explain why the edits originated from your IP address, it comes across as looking ridiculous, thus ensuring that the good Samaritans on the net will take time out of their day to give it its deserved ridicule.<BR/><BR/>If you want it to go away, leave it alone. Do you honestly think we care about your article this much? We keep laughing because you keep making yourself look even dumber every few hours. So just leave it alone. You can go back to your life of scribbling ill informed screeds and we'll find a new article to chuckle at, alright?<BR/><BR/>It's really not Martin that's causing you all of this trouble. Martin doesn't have many goons to summon forth. What is attracting all of this attention, Yomin, is your big, dumb, eternally flapping mouth. So close your yap, let the damned article die, put more thought into your next one, or, better yet, leave it to someone a little bit more qualified, and we'll all sleep a little bit more soundly, and, in your case, you might even dodge some heart problems.<BR/><BR/>'Kay?Inky, Pinky, Blinky and Clydehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12705763038336992299noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33241741.post-19117231139990883372008-06-16T16:51:00.000-05:002008-06-16T16:51:00.000-05:00DAMN!! Thank you for posting that, Phillychief.bf...DAMN!! Thank you for posting that, Phillychief.<BR/><BR/>bfaACA, Inchttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05181363693293009242noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33241741.post-50780096826621865772008-06-16T16:01:00.000-05:002008-06-16T16:01:00.000-05:00Has anyone seen this yet? In the spirit of objecti...Has anyone seen <A HREF="http://christianforums.com/showthread.php?t=7247496" REL="nofollow">this</A> yet? In the spirit of objectivity, let's see if christians on a christian forum will be less critical of him and his article than atheists...<BR/><BR/><I>"Do you have the logical proof of a devine creator? I'm sorry if you recieved personal attacks, but this is a fairly incredible claim to put forward and people are going to tear it apart if it doesn't stand up."</I><BR/><BR/><I>"Well, yes, after I write something stupid, someone usually will point out that it is stupid.<BR/><B>Even from a Christian standpoint, your article was stupid.</B><BR/>Being called stupid for writing something so stupid is not persecution, it is simply the truth."</I><BR/><BR/><I>"Havent had a chance to read it all but a cursory scan hints at several strawmen. Have fun"</I><BR/><BR/><I>"What a silly rehash of old, long forgotten and disposed of arguments. It certainly doesn't say much for the Canadian Free Press."</I><BR/><BR/>That's just the first few, and then it gets critical. LOLPhillyChiefhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03355892225956705948noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33241741.post-31497436945992780312008-06-16T15:08:00.000-05:002008-06-16T15:08:00.000-05:00I just want this ended. What's so hard to underst...I just want this ended. What's so hard to understand? I've been attacked everywhere by you guys with no let up, all thanks to Martin whose wikipage I did not touch. So why won't so many of you leave me alone, anywhere?Yomin Postelnikhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08126404177362537875noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33241741.post-66588822503310943562008-06-16T14:29:00.000-05:002008-06-16T14:29:00.000-05:00Chigurh said... "Then again, if he was toying, wou...Chigurh said... <BR/>"Then again, if he was toying, would he ever have been concerned over his google results? It is certainly bad for business. Would you let this guy evaluate grants if he cannot grasp the fn of an algorithm?"<BR/><BR/>I think the actual criminal stuff is because he (Yomin) hates atheists. This seems apparent from the original article.<BR/><BR/>Beyond that, I am wondering if the Google results are the point with him. I think he wants to be a famous "defender of the faith" that people quote and stuff. <BR/><BR/>Perhaps the impact on his business is acceptable. He probably deals mainly with people of a certain level of faith who may find all this appealing, or, at least, he may THINK this is the case. Could be he is well enough off that he doesn't need to worry.<BR/><BR/>Either way, if you want to get invited to contribute columns or to speak to groups as an apologist, picking a fight with some atheists might be a good way to get started. Many religious people would love to do business with a heroic "warrior for god", especially one so persecuted by godless atheists...<BR/><BR/>bfaACA, Inchttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05181363693293009242noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33241741.post-51529627626685691722008-06-16T12:41:00.000-05:002008-06-16T12:41:00.000-05:00Being that he is logically wrong about just every ...Being that he is logically wrong about just every facet of the incident, its tempting to think he is just being coy. He's taking a gamble though. If it is ever proven that he is responsible for the pedophile accusations etc on wikipedia, there is legal support, although no precedent, for a suit. There IS precedent that wikimedia itself is not liable, but articles <I>can</I> be edited anonymously. The IP would have to be proven to be him. That being said, he probably knows what a pain establishing such a precedent would be.<BR/><BR/>Then again, if he was toying, would he ever have been concerned over his google results? It is <B>certainly bad for business</B>. Would you let this guy evaluate grants if he cannot grasp the fn of an algorithm? When he cries bullying rather than coherently address each criticism? I certainly would not hire him. This isnt even about his faith; this is simple lack of sense.<BR/><BR/>that being said, check out this sexy dude! hopefully he's not homophobic ;-) (thats a joke yomin): http://canadafreepress.com/images/member_photos/photo_104.jpgLevellineshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13765065212116201845noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33241741.post-22392452662868634372008-06-16T12:33:00.000-05:002008-06-16T12:33:00.000-05:00Please keep in mind the possibility that Yomin is ...<I>Please keep in mind the possibility that Yomin is enjoying this.</I><BR/><BR/>It won't last.Martinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17933545393470431585noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33241741.post-88418022603142314212008-06-16T11:34:00.000-05:002008-06-16T11:34:00.000-05:00@ bigfatatheistThat's a really good point, the blo...@ bigfatatheist<BR/>That's a really good point, the blog posts martin posted just above link to here multiple times, more so than even a serious article would do so. Implication being that someone may be making lemonade out of lemons sot hey can get their persecution complex on. <BR/>I'm sure he's getting a kick out of his perceived persecution.<BR/><BR/>In short, I think Martin just got himself into a sub/dom relationship with Yomin. Creepy.Alex Grysonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01627314014277558222noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33241741.post-8669650302779340342008-06-16T11:28:00.000-05:002008-06-16T11:28:00.000-05:00This is becoming more and more amusing. The only e...This is becoming more and more amusing. The only explanation I can think of other than extreme paranoia is an attempt to get himself cast as a persecuted lamb and cash in from the creationist crowd.Cafeeine Addictedhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02011016176276511661noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33241741.post-89835460681213551812008-06-16T11:07:00.000-05:002008-06-16T11:07:00.000-05:00Please keep in mind the possibility that Yomin is ...Please keep in mind the possibility that Yomin is enjoying this. Clearly he is craving both the publicity and the "persecution" he is so bravely enduring.<BR/><BR/>I mean, the guy hurls an e-bomb every time an hour goes by without a comment on him. And he really doesn't know how Google works? Really?<BR/><BR/>Seriously, Martin was able to dismantle this guy's arguments so easily because he (Yomin) is not a very serious student of apologetics. He has no credentials or science education. Kind of "low hanging fruit" if you ask me. <BR/><BR/>Well, the wolf looks for slow elk, I guess.<BR/><BR/>DonACA, Inchttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05181363693293009242noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33241741.post-11197976489299410742008-06-16T10:49:00.000-05:002008-06-16T10:49:00.000-05:00Gee, you think maybe establishing 4 blogs to talk ...Gee, you think maybe establishing 4 blogs to talk smack about particular atheists, writing and distributing press releases where you interview yourself, and posting comments about these "militant atheists" who are "harassing" you on dozens of internet forums day after day could possibly be contributing to these palpitations you're having, Yomin? <BR/><BR/>If not for saving some semblance of integrity, how about letting all this go to save your heart and maybe your life? Seriously sir, you may be literally killing yourself over this. Take some time off, relax and get away, preferably somewhere they don't have internet access.PhillyChiefhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03355892225956705948noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33241741.post-33666148954924577912008-06-16T10:28:00.000-05:002008-06-16T10:28:00.000-05:00Do you think if I said some nasty shit about Yomin...Do you think if I said some nasty shit about Yomin he'd start a whole blog dedicated to me? Maybe I need to get in on some of this action instead of just sitting here with my sunglasses and beer, enjoying it from the sidelines.<BR/><BR/>Seriously, Yomin is sliding rapidly from garden-variety creationist kook into full-blown crazy person.Chris Johnsonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13762364982656844703noreply@blogger.com