tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33241741.post2955286330293130949..comments2023-09-24T07:53:50.826-05:00Comments on The Atheist Experience™: Huckabee's Fund Raising LetterUnknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger37125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33241741.post-64439991176247759732011-02-23T10:07:33.677-06:002011-02-23T10:07:33.677-06:00Hey, guys. I've worked in politics for years a...Hey, guys. I've worked in politics for years and I've seen plenty of fundraising letters from conservative. I don't think this is authentic. First of all, this is Huckabee speaking for Newt's organization. That's bizarre. They have separate organizations and are both considering running for president, which would place them as running against each other. The story of the flag/allegiance is old news. I don't think they'd use that. Something seems off about this...seriously. Maybe I'm wrong. IDK.Danielhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07950060928440538096noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33241741.post-11705368766361850472011-02-02T05:15:52.431-06:002011-02-02T05:15:52.431-06:00Although this has nothing to do with the topics, s...Although this has nothing to do with the topics, someone should show Don in which camera to look when he's in a close-up shot.<br />It's very distracting the way it is and you get the idea that he's not talking to the audience, but to the people in the studio.sans_Dieuhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11437040905394792018noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33241741.post-29041480491082251422011-02-01T22:20:21.601-06:002011-02-01T22:20:21.601-06:00I used to (long ago) have some respect for Huckabe...I used to (long ago) have some respect for Huckabee even though I disagreed with him on many things. From what I used to hear from him (which, granted, wasn't representative), he seemed much more civil than many of his far right-wing colleagues. He can put on the facade of civility, but I can respect him no more.<br /><br />Claims that Atheists want "an America where ANY religious utterance is prohibited outside the walls of a private home or church [his emphasis]" just prove that Huckabee is either extremely stupid or extremely deceitful. I don't know which is worse, but I know I can tolerate neither.Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04631159819006577246noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33241741.post-11905152127080525892011-02-01T16:06:24.033-06:002011-02-01T16:06:24.033-06:00I have a comment about polygamy. Don seemed a litt...I have a comment about polygamy. Don seemed a little dismissive of polygamy on the show and I am not sure why. Really I think polygamy should be legal. It seems to me that the polygamy issue is similar to the gay and lesbian marriage issue. The fact is that these people (polygamists) have chosen the family structure that works for them. Doesn't their union deserve the same protections as any other? Can anyone demonstrate that polyamorous relationships cause some sort of harm that should be protected against?<br /><br />Certainly, there are some crimes that seem to be associated peripherally with polygamy, such as statutory rape and, apparently, welfare fraud, but it seems to me that legalizing and regulating this stuff will serve to mitigate that.JAFisher44https://www.blogger.com/profile/09894511085072464057noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33241741.post-64385188663580411642011-02-01T07:50:33.211-06:002011-02-01T07:50:33.211-06:00I am impressed that Don bothered to count the logi...I am impressed that Don bothered to count the logical mistakes in the Huckabee letter. I saved myself a lot of time by counting only the accurate statements without misrepresentation.<br /><br />That anyone falls for this fear mongering and outright lying is really depressing to me.John K.https://www.blogger.com/profile/11579041716600940838noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33241741.post-48152005351310100732011-02-01T07:01:20.779-06:002011-02-01T07:01:20.779-06:00Constructive Criticism:
Don is cool, but needs to ...Constructive Criticism:<br />Don is cool, but needs to be paired with someone slightly more lively, like Matt.<br /><br />Best host combinations:<br />- Tracie & Jen, they just kill.<br />- Matt and anyone.<br />- Jeff and Martin.<br />etc. I think a little more thought should go into host combos, in order to deliver maximum entertainment! ;)Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09087508449193682346noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33241741.post-315028645253440152011-01-31T20:10:56.711-06:002011-01-31T20:10:56.711-06:00@MethodSkeptic
It seems like we're caught in ...@MethodSkeptic<br /><br />It seems like we're caught in a bit of a paradox. A lot of us live in vast deserts of irrationality, and welcome to company of others like us.<br /><br />For some reason though, we don't really want to listen to other atheists babble. We'd rather listen to theists, in most circumstances.<br /><br />So, we're going to collect into groups and not talk to one another?<br /><br />I know this isn't always the case, but it seems to come up a lot, particularly for the show.JThttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08881036419280903737noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33241741.post-15787233875512488832011-01-31T18:48:49.347-06:002011-01-31T18:48:49.347-06:00I'm not going to be a chat room troll, but Mis...I'm not going to be a chat room troll, but Mister I-Have-Fifty-Rhetorical-Question-To-Which-I-Already-Know-The-Answers was *almost* as annoying as the incognito atheists who call in trying to prove Poe's Law. <br /><br />Either way, they're not calling in to get help with a thorny issue, they're not bringing something different to say on the day's topic, they're just self-gratifying on the air.<br /><br />I'm not saying to get them off the air, but some help staying focused would be in order. Otherwise, love the show as always.MethodSkeptichttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05844566230083531269noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33241741.post-91995173155732537072011-01-31T17:23:24.815-06:002011-01-31T17:23:24.815-06:00@Richard:
So you'd be happy if he'd used ...@Richard:<br /><br />So you'd be happy if he'd used the word "coerced" instead of "forced"?<br /><br />It is true that kids are not "forced" to recite the pledge, but if you wanna get technical, they're not really "forced" to do any of the school work either. No physical harm will befall them if they don't do their homework. <br /><br />The issue here for me isn't whether or not the kids can opt out of saying the pledge or opt out of saying the "under god" part. The issue is that the school--a tax funded state organization--is starting instructional time every single day with a recitation that contains a clear religious endorsement in it.<br /><br />Some people may say, "Well, it just says god...that can mean any god they want"<br /><br />Those people are missing yet another point. The belief in a deity--namely one that we should thank for the state of our country...thus implying he/she/it is a certain type of omnipotent deity--is a religious idea, and as such has no place being promoted in a daily school ceremony that takes place during instructional time.Sparrowhawkhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16520765821903563677noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33241741.post-54825861403265804842011-01-31T17:15:56.514-06:002011-01-31T17:15:56.514-06:00I wish Don would have been more careful in his use...I wish Don would have been more careful in his use of language on the show, especially when his entire segment is devote to pointing out inaccuracies in letter distributed by Huckabee - it felt like he was falling into some of the same traps that Huckabee's letter does. A number of times, Don talked about how people were "made to" pray, or "forced" to recite the pledge - and this being the basis of the lawsuit. But from what I can tell, that's not what the lawsuit is about at all - people being *forced* to do things has been illegal for the recent past, at least, and is today. The central problem is that the child who won't recite the pledge feels like an outsider, becomes separate from the rest of the class. That's about feelings and the perception of others - it's not about a child being *forced* to do something. But in the 15 minutes of the show that I've listened to so far, Don's made this mistake 2-3 times - and any *Christian* responder to Don's position can cherry pick his mistakes and ignore the more substantive problems with Huckabee's letter.Richardhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02268564086174784367noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33241741.post-36876329759271040252011-01-31T14:14:33.074-06:002011-01-31T14:14:33.074-06:00@bigfatatheist
I don't think so...they were s...@bigfatatheist<br /><br />I don't think so...they were simply discussing the letter and pointing out the lies and distorted information. It's not like they were advocating someone else. But you may have a good point, I personally don't think that pointing out lies and false claims made by a moron violates anything...but that just MPO. HaMamba24https://www.blogger.com/profile/05946274556360577420noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33241741.post-51932995623983112512011-01-31T13:25:45.993-06:002011-01-31T13:25:45.993-06:00While I can't say that I disagree with anythin...While I can't say that I disagree with anything said about Huckabee and his letter, doesn't this episode violate the IRS restrictions on "electioneering" by non-profits? Just asking...bigfatatheisthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05756044183000821396noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33241741.post-80710241534059697032011-01-31T09:51:29.226-06:002011-01-31T09:51:29.226-06:00Oh and one more thing, the show is too short, it j...Oh and one more thing, the show is too short, it just starts hitting its stride and the hour is up! We need those 30 minutes back (or more)mikekoz68https://www.blogger.com/profile/02168101511381957884noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33241741.post-69091792006905877712011-01-31T09:48:09.205-06:002011-01-31T09:48:09.205-06:00@MAtheist "The crises you are implying actua...@MAtheist "The crises you are implying actually seem to be caused by an adherence to religion, rather than a lack of it"<br /><br />This is such a good point and along with what another poster said about intellectual honesty, someone needs to point out to these people that it is hard to reason with groups who blindly follow an ancient book that justifies all their actions. The irony is disgustingmikekoz68https://www.blogger.com/profile/02168101511381957884noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33241741.post-51480962089789318702011-01-31T05:04:39.743-06:002011-01-31T05:04:39.743-06:00Wow.....Huckabee's letter is right out of McCa...Wow.....Huckabee's letter is right out of McCarthy error, except they used communism in place of socialism. The atheism and liberalism apparently are oldies but goodies when it comes to any religion and politics trying to oppress people. Sad thing is, more and more people like Huckabee have come out of the wood work and I am sure more and more will. To me, these people are the real enemy. Let us not forget who Huckabee's friends include: US Politician Mike Huckabee and his close friends who helped create the “Kill the Gays” bill in Uganda, ” Mike Hucabee believes gays should have no rights, but they should also be killed, his best buddy who wants to see LGBT people killed or imprisoned for life in Uganda, (http://blogs.pitch.com/plog/2010/12/mike_huckabees_lou_engle_problem.php). And as recently as August 2010, Huckabee praised the work of this friend,(http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kwp_wRiYipA&feature=player_embedded) a man named Rev. Lou Engle, who has made campaigning for the elimination of LGBT rights a central component of his life’s work.”Coreyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00380048898500411561noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33241741.post-85255589371221620562011-01-30T16:23:27.886-06:002011-01-30T16:23:27.886-06:00I'm taking American History right now. Someho...I'm taking American History right now. Somehow I think he missed that class in college.Meganhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01693737325807277190noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33241741.post-22936805423129348862011-01-30T12:50:40.995-06:002011-01-30T12:50:40.995-06:00The God of Mike Huckabee is absolutely real and ab...The God of Mike Huckabee is absolutely real and absolutely evil. Whether his god existed before time or whether it is a manifestation of the collective unconscious it needs to die.<br /><br />Imagine how advanced humanity would be if there were no Christian and Muslim induced dark ages. Do what you can to destroy this god or the idea of this god. KILL IT!Fat Bastardohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03839915109115122588noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33241741.post-55107619977371290672011-01-30T03:01:03.292-06:002011-01-30T03:01:03.292-06:00For those skeptical about whether this is real, yo...For those skeptical about whether this is real, <a href="http://www.google.com/search?q=huckabee+%22renewing+american+leadership%22" rel="nofollow">you can Google</a>. The first few links show the connection between ReAL and Huckabee, and someone <a href="http://forum.hucksarmy.com/viewtopic.php?f=150&t=24139&start=0#p201988" rel="nofollow">mentions getting</a> a similar letter.<br /><br />You're probably not going to get an official online paper trail, however. This is just a mail-in fundraising letter, and a "narrowcast" letter at that; I only would expect to see it from people who bother to scan and upload it.Sean (quantheory)https://www.blogger.com/profile/00094694851707164734noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33241741.post-31642373462392377052011-01-30T02:52:36.135-06:002011-01-30T02:52:36.135-06:00Wow...and this guy wants to run for president...Wow...and this guy wants to run for president...Mamba24https://www.blogger.com/profile/05946274556360577420noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33241741.post-81908578166675940142011-01-30T02:27:07.251-06:002011-01-30T02:27:07.251-06:00This comment has been removed by the author.Mamba24https://www.blogger.com/profile/05946274556360577420noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33241741.post-10937252948643013242011-01-30T00:46:58.615-06:002011-01-30T00:46:58.615-06:00I had to stop reading after the first few paragrap...I had to stop reading after the first few paragraphs. I just couldn't go on.Ryan Vhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01337944375726464301noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33241741.post-14093829855397750642011-01-29T23:52:44.259-06:002011-01-29T23:52:44.259-06:00I've responded in great detail over on my own ...I've responded in great detail over on my own blog: <a href="http://miketheinfidel.blogspot.com/2011/01/mike-huckabee-plays-victim-card.html" rel="nofollow">Mike Huckabee Plays the Victim Card</a>.FreePlayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13211650671189898841noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33241741.post-82448628272616487832011-01-29T18:52:49.421-06:002011-01-29T18:52:49.421-06:00Is there any confirmation that this was actually o...Is there any confirmation that this was actually originated by Huckabee's people?skepticmatthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17013827716974620512noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33241741.post-36765176698717104082011-01-29T17:49:51.119-06:002011-01-29T17:49:51.119-06:00I would suggest they rename their organization &qu...I would suggest they rename their organization "Renewing American Leadership" (ReAL) to "Fear And Lies Supplant Evidence". Somehow I doubt they'll take my suggestion...Excreduloushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02910201049922531627noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33241741.post-55313875437679302992011-01-29T17:41:41.103-06:002011-01-29T17:41:41.103-06:00Anyway to know for sure this was from Huckabee?Anyway to know for sure this was from Huckabee?Larkinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07269555517221528429noreply@blogger.com