tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33241741.post1759182985431464328..comments2023-09-24T07:53:50.826-05:00Comments on The Atheist Experience™: DaveScot really is as foolish and dishonest as people say he is!Unknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger14125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33241741.post-41650239492434474632007-01-20T14:41:00.000-06:002007-01-20T14:41:00.000-06:00Hey Kazim!
Maybe I should post this at the other ...Hey Kazim!<br /><br />Maybe I should post this at the other entry, but I'm combining things...<br /><br />It's not that I don't recognize Martin's connection to the show--but I honestly believe DS is aiming his comments at the photograph of the cast on the blog front page (and maybe at the ACA homepage, if he's been there?)--and none of the people pictured have anything to do with his problem DS has with Martin, except that suddenly they're being accused by DS (out of the blue) of being racist with no more "evidence" against them than they're Caucasian and in a photo together.<br /><br />There's an old story about a man and a boy and their donkey carrying goods to market. Everyone they pass on the way shames them for carrying the load however they are carrying it: If the boy has it, then the father is mean for making his young son carry it. If the father carries it, then the son is awful for making his poor old father carry it. Or they are both stupid for not using the donkey. Or they are cruel to make the poor, dumb beast carry it all...etc. In the end, the point is that you can't please everyone, and that there will always be a person looking to criticize you no matter what you do. I find that story to accurately reflect reality. And I would add that it is the agenda of some people sometimes to criticize every option no matter what you do.<br /><br />I find it funny that among a group of just several people, there are representatives from the male, female, Jewish, and gay demographics--just off the top. But the group is being criticized for not having someone with darker skin. I wonder how many different demographics we'd have to support in this small group of 5 or 6 in order to not be labeled "anti" _something_ by DS? I'd say we already mix it up far more than any general population sample would.<br /><br />And yes, it is funny that you are being labeled a Jew Skinhead! ;-)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33241741.post-45550014479592459542007-01-19T08:22:00.000-06:002007-01-19T08:22:00.000-06:00I don't think it's fair to quote Dembski contradic...I don't think it's fair to quote Dembski contradicting DaveScot ("... any view of the sciences that leaves Christ out of the picture must be seen as fundamentally deficient."), and imply that this makes DaveScot a hypocrite.<br /><br />Don't get me wrong, Matt demonstrated that DaveScot is a hypocrite.<br /><br />But DaveScot's point -- that ID doesn't have anything to do with religion -- could be true from his view.<br /><br />On the most recent AE, Matt and Tracie explained a similar point for several minutes: that even if the universe were created, it wouldn't have to be a god that did it.<br /><br />I guess my point is, yes DaveScot is a hypocrite and a troll, but as a nitpicky fan of the show and its incessant honesty, I unfairly hold its representatives to very high standards.<br /><br />P.S.: I'm glad to hear Tracie back on the show. She's as researched as Matt and rigorous as Jeff, but with twice the patience and none of the anger. :)ouinihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15476746377310639286noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33241741.post-73868484503455279192007-01-17T20:38:00.000-06:002007-01-17T20:38:00.000-06:00To be fair, although Martin is not a current membe...To be fair, although Martin is not a current member of the show, he IS the originator and primary contributor to this blog.<br /><br />That aside, I saw Martin's comment and didn't see anything out of line about it. Furthermore, I don't see any compelling reason why you should spend your energy convincing the troll that making a genuinely racist comment is in a different category from simply being white. As a lifelong Jew, I'm somewhat underwhelmed by the insult of being called a skinhead.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05324968314168283095noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33241741.post-87420873018829575762007-01-17T17:10:00.000-06:002007-01-17T17:10:00.000-06:00Quote: "Is it ad hominem if it's true?"
Yes, if i...Quote: "Is it ad hominem if it's true?"<br /><br />Yes, if it's a diversionary tactic to sidestep supporting an argument. I have never heard anyone claim that an ad hominem has to be a false accusation.<br /><br />Quote: "In my mind the glaring lack of color around here is simply an observation..."<br /><br />No, it was not "just an observation." Please be honest and own your statements. You likened the group to the KKK. You didn't just "observe": "Hey, I notice there are no ethnic minorities on the cast--what is up with that?" You said it was because the cast was racist--by comparing them, straight up, to the KKK. So, please don't pretend it was "just an observation"--it was also _clearly_ a (unfair and illogical) judgment.<br /><br />Quote: "...and please note I made it only in reaction to delicate little Chucky Wagner making a racist aspersion at me."<br /><br />Yes, you were doing a childish "tit for tat." I think I did address this when I pointed out that I didn't at all see your reasoning for attacking several people you don't know, just because someone who is not among them pointed out you made a racist remark on another forum. How is it that the ACA cast/crew became racist, just because Martin called you on a racist comment?<br /><br />Quote: "People who live in glass houses shouldn't throw stones."<br /><br />But Martin doesn't live in this house. He's NOT in the photo. Nor is he currently involved with the TV show that I am aware. You got bent because Martin pointed out your racist comment on another forum. Then you went and attacked the ACA cast and crew for racism--simply because no one you will accept as an ethnic minority has volunteered for the (very small cast/crew) of the show. How is that logical? [And I still don't know what test you're using for "ethnic minority"--by the way--not that it probably really matters.]<br /><br />You're all but admitting that your motivation is simply "Martin called my comment racist, and I want to get back--if not Martin, then any atheists will do. So, I'm going to call you all racists--using the only thing I can come up with: Since you're all Caucasian--you're just like the KKK!"<br /><br />It's irrational.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33241741.post-13118321852348967672007-01-17T15:06:00.000-06:002007-01-17T15:06:00.000-06:00I think it's hilarious that DaveScot's insults are...I think it's hilarious that DaveScot's insults are on the same caliber as some of the crank callers who occasionally call our show, pretend to have a topic, and then try to make a joke before hanging up. "Ha ha, you're BALD!" they say, gleefully basking in the warm triumph of having slipped this piercing insight past our call screeners.<br /><br />I guess it's lucky for me that DaveScot called me a skinhead, otherwise I might not have noticed... HEY WAIT A MINUTE, WHERE DID ALL MY HAIR GO?!? What the hell?<br /><br />Tracie's right though... just as being parodied by Weird Al proves that a musical artist has "made it", receiving a visit from DaveScot indicates that our blog is quickly rising to the level of popularity enjoyed by Pharyngula and Panda's Thumb. Go, us!Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05324968314168283095noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33241741.post-17770818909821802502007-01-17T05:56:00.000-06:002007-01-17T05:56:00.000-06:00Opps - make that delicate little Marty Wagner.Opps - make that delicate little <i>Marty</i> Wagner.DaveScothttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03796727784739909570noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33241741.post-12597997759236896332007-01-17T05:54:00.000-06:002007-01-17T05:54:00.000-06:00"They obviously don't feel they can win an argumen..."They obviously don't feel they can win an argument on a level playing field of logic versus logic."<br /><br />Tracie honey you make the mistake I want to win. I couldn't care less if you believe the way I do or not. It's YOU that has this need to win something. Personally I think militant atheists and theists alike are whistling in the dark. They're insecure and need to convince others to lower their own level of insecurity.<br /><br />Is it ad hominem if it's true? In my mind the glaring lack of color around here is simply an observation and please note I made it only in reaction to delicate little Chucky Wagner making a racist aspersion at me. People who live in glass houses shouldn't throw stones. Write that down.DaveScothttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03796727784739909570noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33241741.post-46686786708174769842007-01-16T16:24:00.000-06:002007-01-16T16:24:00.000-06:00Hats off, Martin. You certainly seem to be success...Hats off, Martin. You certainly seem to be successfully attracting the fringe fundie (uh, I mean "agnostic") crowd to the blog--so you must be getting the word out pretty effectively.<br /><br />Recently Matt made a statement on-air to the effect that he's never seen an apologist who didn't rely on some form of fallacy to make his point/s. In this case, red herrings and ad hominem.<br /><br />What I find funny and sad is that the ad hominem attack illustrates two things, clearly, about the attacker:<br /><br />1. They obviously don't feel they can win an argument on a level playing field of logic versus logic. Which means that they recognize their arguments are logically weak.<br /><br />2. They expect the ad hominem attack to toss their opponent off track/off guard and derail the discussion (throwing their opponent into a defense of his/her character and off the actual point). It's an obvious attempt at diversion--but what's sad about it, to me, is that they wouldn't use it if it didn't have a history of working for them. This illustrates that they tend to argue with people who aren't familiar with logical argumentation and logical fallacies; basically, they take on emotional people who are easily derailed.<br /><br />I noticed that DS supplied a lengthy reply to my post in the last blog entry--none of which remotely addressed my criticism of his logic.<br /><br />"Agnostic" though his claim may be--he certainly argues like a theist.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33241741.post-34909622321921245892007-01-16T15:20:00.000-06:002007-01-16T15:20:00.000-06:00Being webwide famous for being an idiot and an ass...Being webwide famous for being an idiot and an asshole. Now that's an interesting goal in life.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33241741.post-73457245378126703122007-01-16T11:33:00.000-06:002007-01-16T11:33:00.000-06:00See what I mean, folks? Kind of pitiful, really.See what I mean, folks? Kind of pitiful, really.Martinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17933545393470431585noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33241741.post-20001297718567042542007-01-16T11:05:00.000-06:002007-01-16T11:05:00.000-06:00Tard Alert! To see DaveScott and his blog-butt-bu...Tard Alert! To see DaveScott and his blog-butt-buddy Dembski burned on a regular and funny basis, please visit The Official Uncommonly Dense Blog, devoted to all the totally stupid ramblings of a DaveScott, - Worth the look!<br /><br />http://www.antievolution.org/cgi-bin/ikonboard/ikonboard.cgi?s=45ad042852aeaa27;act=ST;f=14;t=1274;st=10560Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33241741.post-32159525445514004152007-01-16T05:11:00.000-06:002007-01-16T05:11:00.000-06:00The lady doth protest too much, methinks.
I guess...The lady doth protest too much, methinks.<br /><br />I guess I won't be getting any invitations to join your little atheist club then. It's just as well as I don't get along with skinheads.DaveScothttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03796727784739909570noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33241741.post-39347105302931550852007-01-16T01:08:00.000-06:002007-01-16T01:08:00.000-06:00I'm going to have to agree with Saint_Gasoline, he...I'm going to have to agree with Saint_Gasoline, here.Aerikhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06757043033204620563noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33241741.post-42250283142021848862007-01-16T00:12:00.000-06:002007-01-16T00:12:00.000-06:00Only goatse has more infamy than DaveScot. Althou...Only goatse has more infamy than DaveScot. Although I must admit that I'd much rather gaze upon the orifice of an aging goatse than the ramblings of DaveScot.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com