tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33241741.post1559684026808478894..comments2023-09-24T07:53:50.826-05:00Comments on The Atheist Experience™: Attention, every atheist alive: Why aren't we ignoring Ray?Unknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger46125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33241741.post-59144565847182806722009-07-25T07:04:40.333-05:002009-07-25T07:04:40.333-05:00The discussion/debate/talk in question seems to be...The discussion/debate/talk in question seems to be <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N2FskTKrx40&feature=PlayList&p=762A731FA12BCB57&index=0" rel="nofollow">posted on youtube</a> now. <br /><br />So far I've only seen the first video. While it is refreshingly civilized it seems to be somewhat unbalanced. <br /><br />On the one hand you have someone interested in a discussion who's struggling with being precise, consistent, intellectually honest... and on the other hand you have a debater who disregards facts, contradicts himself in a matter of seconds without flinching, never concedes any points made and just jumps to the next topic by unreeling the next canned statement.<br /><br />The only thing <i>new</i>, that is I haven't heard creationists say <i>that</i> yet, is the following statement:<br /><br /><i>"'You don't know' is the ultimate cop-out."</i> <br />-- Ray Comfort<br /><br />Nothing reveals the apologists' mind better than that, doesn't it. They sheer stupidity, or maliciousness -- if you manage to decide the fool vs. con-artist question, is mind-boggling. <br /><br />In case some IDiots still don't get it and in danger of stating what should be obvious: <br /><br />It's like saying "White is the ultimate black" and either being too retarded to understand what complete garbage that statement is... or hoping the listeners will be. "I don't know" is the ultimate unbiased place-holder requesting further investigation, the exact opposite of a cop-out such as "God did it".Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11104162331060679914noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33241741.post-14262892135905031862009-07-16T18:01:07.394-05:002009-07-16T18:01:07.394-05:00I won't go there. I have too much respect for ...I won't go there. I have too much respect for myself.Jeff Eygeshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11967707883565162538noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33241741.post-70253167392509342512009-07-16T17:49:45.070-05:002009-07-16T17:49:45.070-05:00Yeah it was a pretty great one. God is a murder, a...Yeah it was a pretty great one. God is a murder, and he's coming to murder you, so praise jesus!'BathTubhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14198295395639562763noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33241741.post-55991679412115098682009-07-16T17:45:32.107-05:002009-07-16T17:45:32.107-05:00I know you dont want to talk about him...but rebut...I know you dont want to talk about him...but rebutting his ridiculous beliefs and statements is kind of fun.<br /><br />I just had to comment here and show you that Ray has just posted the best Blog Post ever...I have no idea how he will ever come back from this:<br />http://raycomfortfood.blogspot.com/2009/07/is-god-guilty-of-murder.html<br /><br />enjoy/ignore. :)MVPhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00758626695429493011noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33241741.post-71257040877078166372009-07-13T23:13:02.589-05:002009-07-13T23:13:02.589-05:00I think that this explains Ray's "Rayness...I think that <a href="http://raycomfortfood.blogspot.com/2009/03/bone-of-contention.html?showComment=1237048560000#c2518931953134623226" rel="nofollow">this</a> explains Ray's "Ray<i>ness</i>". Curiously, I remembered the character's name as "Ray" and, upon rewatching it, was shocked to discover that it was really "Leonard".Modusoperandihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04213914791604385761noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33241741.post-10146596917659181712009-07-12T07:30:36.938-05:002009-07-12T07:30:36.938-05:00I can understand the frustration, but debating Ray...I can understand the frustration, but debating Ray Comfort and co might sadly be a necessity. The atheist version of Calvary I am sure, but still... Because however stupid and uninformed and intellectually dishonest he is, he still has followers and can still be harmful. He just reminds me of an astrologer we had in Quebec in the 90s, named Jojo Savard. She was still making loads of money from gullible people, so skeptical associations was criticizing her, and rightly so, while mainstream talkshows were inviting her and letting her promote her rubbish, thinking it was harmless.Guillaumehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12376749604845793465noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33241741.post-45857181535335360192009-07-10T16:47:00.339-05:002009-07-10T16:47:00.339-05:00In EVERYONE'S defense. There is a big differe...In EVERYONE'S defense. There is a big difference between a theist and Ray Comfort.Inghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15677092968714424939noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33241741.post-90507811605644385322009-07-09T11:09:58.126-05:002009-07-09T11:09:58.126-05:00Umm... isn't your show all about debating thei...Umm... isn't your show all about debating theists?<br /><br />I'm just asking...v_quixotichttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18068607586238616369noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33241741.post-44962116046190334202009-07-09T09:46:42.726-05:002009-07-09T09:46:42.726-05:00"I get the impression you don’t like Comfort...."I get the impression you don’t like Comfort. Calling Comfort “The worlds stupidest Christian” is out of ignorance."<br /><br />Are you sure it's out of ignorance? Because from what I have seen, Comfort has earned this title outright. Just watching a single debate and the banana video will be enough evidence to support the claim. I would have to say your claim is out of ignorance. But, as Ray would do, I am sure you will ignore that.<br /><br />-<br />"...if you underestimate his experience with a phase “The worlds stupidest Christian” your severely underestimating your opponent."<br />-<br />"I am not trying to knock TF, but I think you are overestimating his abilities."<br /><br />uhhh...exact opposite of what you saidvillage1diothttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10418231742234754022noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33241741.post-2427232743113854662009-07-09T03:12:46.340-05:002009-07-09T03:12:46.340-05:00Admin said, "Ray is one of the dumbest men on...Admin said, "Ray is one of the dumbest men on Earth (have you even SEEN the crocoduck?)".<br /><br />The Crocoduck think was Kirk Cameron. You simply must include him in the list.<br /><br />As far as whether to debate Mr. Comfort, I struggle with that one myself but I think Thunderf00t will make short work of him and Ray will have difficulty spinning it.<br /><br />As far as fighting with Ray on his blog, it's just too hard to avoid. I think keeping him busy on his blog is a positive thing, especially when most of the Atheist have an easy time exposing the fundies.Arguendohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10289502628767480817noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33241741.post-55554611566434774462009-07-08T09:10:36.840-05:002009-07-08T09:10:36.840-05:00Debating Ray is like playing chess against a 8 yea...<i>Debating Ray is like playing chess against a 8 year old who immediately moves the knight across the board and declares "king me!" </i><br /><br />Ing, you've really nailed it! I can think of other fundies to whom this would apply as well. <br /><br />(Come to think of it - are there any to whom it <i>wouldn't</i> apply?)Jeff Eygeshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11967707883565162538noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33241741.post-1698421789102882202009-07-08T07:21:22.467-05:002009-07-08T07:21:22.467-05:00"I quite going to that idiot's blog. Here..."I quite going to that idiot's blog. Here's an example of why we should ignore him. He made a post about how "Expelled" shows how "darwinism" was responsible for the holocaust, I shot him down totally, and this was his reply.<br /><br />Fortunately, some others did not like his, and his sycophants' stupid attitude.<br /><br />The irony? He's the one who's written a book called "You Can Lead an Atheist to Evidence, But You Can't Make Him Think"."<br /><br />Thank you Reynold (Ryan Reynolds?) Either way I'm gonna wind up imaging you as Deadpool now, for providing documentation and examples of why, Johnathan, Ray is a dishonest ass. That is perhaps the most potent deconstruction of him I've seen. It's celarly he did not read or address your points. <br /><br />Again that's why I'm not all for the Thundy debate. Thundy effectivly addressed all his points already so it's nothing new to the people who actually listen to both sides, and Ray NEVER listens to the other side of a debate. He talks to himself, and declares himself the winner. <br /><br />Debating Ray is like playing chess against a 8 year old who immediately moves the knight across the board and declares "king me!" No matter how confident or well meaning they are they're doing it wrong. And I do NOT think we should give Ray credit for his work, in the same way we shouldn't give the writers of the Protocols of Zion credit for their work. Shit is shit no matter how good the bowl movement makes the mover feel.Inghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15677092968714424939noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33241741.post-7400316220268965892009-07-08T02:18:16.544-05:002009-07-08T02:18:16.544-05:00Benedikt- Thanks.Benedikt- Thanks.Jeremyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01802892952926113605noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33241741.post-17552964369468551502009-07-07T19:56:08.194-05:002009-07-07T19:56:08.194-05:00I enjoy watching tools like Ray, Kent and Venomfan...I enjoy watching tools like Ray, Kent and Venomfangx get destroyed in debates and videos. I say do it for sport if nothing else.Hammered Thorhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06671124213701642194noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33241741.post-72391659325774374332009-07-07T16:46:58.594-05:002009-07-07T16:46:58.594-05:00Jonathan, have you heard Ray debate? I have his mo...Jonathan, have you heard Ray debate? I have his most recent debate from earlier in the year in NZ up on Youtube, Part 1 is here http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pM4IvG09uZ8BathTubhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14198295395639562763noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33241741.post-36001342130482631862009-07-07T16:38:00.657-05:002009-07-07T16:38:00.657-05:00For Jonathan:
We're underestimating Ray? No,...For Jonathan:<br /><br />We're underestimating Ray? No, we're not! We've seen this dumbass debate. You want to give him respect for writing books and street preaching? So now we're supposed to respect the moron because he's spent so much time going on about his imaginary friend? If it weren't called a god, he'd be labeled as insane for that! And in none of those long hours or books has he successfully offered any evidence at all for the existence of this being. Have you seen him try to convince people to "bypass their intellect", or say that they don't need to learn any big words, or learn anything about the fossil record? He used air quotes when he said, "fossil record", by the way.<br /><br />Instead, most of what he does is to shit on human progress, and to ridicule the science that gives his uneducated ass an easy ride in life.<br /><br />Ray is one of the dumbest men on Earth (have you even SEEN the crocoduck?). Thunderf00t, on the other hand, has demonstrated his intelligence, knowledge of science, and ability to detect a BS argument when he hears it.<br /><br />Your argument has no legs, and I find its stupidity to be quite offensive.Adminhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08435379042731604819noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33241741.post-91602860288913290942009-07-07T16:07:55.296-05:002009-07-07T16:07:55.296-05:00I can't wait to watch it, sure most of what yo...I can't wait to watch it, sure most of what you said is likely to come true but at the end of the day it's going to be entertaining which is a lot of the reason I watch the Atheist Experience, god bless you MattD.<br /><br />You can't take this seriously at all, a few people will do and they are people are fundamentally beyond help, people who can be convinced of god or even have their faith affirmed because of argumentum ad bananaulum seriously needs to go back to school.<br /><br />I'm not generally in favour of intellectually pounding on stupid people, but when they push themselves in to the public domain like that, then they're fair game. Since we have to put up with them either way, we might as well have a good laugh about it.Frostyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14742453902401322872noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33241741.post-84543751578189892392009-07-07T13:11:40.710-05:002009-07-07T13:11:40.710-05:00@Jeremy
Sire, I humbly bow before you. It seems y...@Jeremy<br /><br />Sire, I humbly bow before you. It seems you have beaten me fair and square by just a few turns of the watches hand.Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11104162331060679914noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33241741.post-77947453407555293662009-07-07T13:02:06.379-05:002009-07-07T13:02:06.379-05:00@Jonathan
"Calling Comfort “The worlds stupi...@Jonathan<br /><br /><i>"Calling Comfort “The worlds stupidest Christian” is out of ignorance. You have to give Comfort some credit for the work he has done, the speeches, book writing (70 apx) and the countless hours as a street preacher (since 1970). You also have to give some respect for his tenacity."</i><br /><br />The cow outside my window is also mooing and shitting all day long...that doesn't make her intelligent nor is it something I have to give her credit for.<br /><br />Still, she might be smarter than Ray since she usually doesn't step into her own excrements nor does she keep repeatedly smacking her face against the trees on the meadow. <br /><br />Wait, I realize that I was mistaken and now actually do get your point: <br /><br />Ray isn't stupid. 'Ray Comfort' is an artificial character; an act played by a conman of the like that isn't hard to find among the religious.<br /><br /><i>Who is ThunderF00t? What are credentials other than just his videos on Youtube? Is he a PhD student? A professor in a teaching position, has he any papers, research or otherwise? Has he ever debated anyone[...]?</i><br /><br />This is where you betray yourself. Oh, the hypocrisy, the special pleading, the argument from authority... just ludicrous! You made my day!<br /><br /><i>It seems you want to examine the fact from an emotional response then one from reason.</i><br /><br />Could you have a point here...? Nah, not really. Who said reasonable people had to be robots without feelings? Not every pathos is an appeal to emotion. There's a big difference between demonstrating a point in an emotional fashion and basing your argument on one.<br /><br /><i>I can see why some Christians feel unbelievers just belittle them and from this I can see why.</i><br /><br />Oh, now I see. You were just talking about yourself.Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11104162331060679914noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33241741.post-62774668080317426002009-07-07T12:59:56.354-05:002009-07-07T12:59:56.354-05:00Continued from the above post as it was too long a...Continued from the above post as it was too long apparently:<br /><br /><i>ThunderF00t? Who is ThunderF00t? What are credentials other than just his videos on Youtube? Is he a PhD student? A professor in a teaching position, has he any papers, research or otherwise? Has he ever debated anyone, who, where, when? I am not trying to knock TF, but I think you are overestimating his abilities.</i><br /><br />The same could be and has been rightfully said of Comfort. Maybe you should watch some of Thunderfoot's videoes as I think most of your questions can be answered there, including what his credentials are if you really want to know.Jeremyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01802892952926113605noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33241741.post-64160183607821519512009-07-07T12:58:37.744-05:002009-07-07T12:58:37.744-05:00Calling Comfort “The worlds stupidest Christian” i...<i>Calling Comfort “The worlds stupidest Christian” is out of ignorance.</i><br /><br />You may have a point. Saying such things borders close to an ad hom attack, although it doesn't as Martin and others go on to explain why they think Comfort is the "world's stupidest Christian" instead of leaving that as their sole argument against him. It may be more accurate to say that Comfort's arguments are stupid, ignorant and severly misguided (which they are) and to add that his intentions are probably good and that he really does believe what he claims to believe. However, there is reason to think otherwise about him, though not his arguments, in this regard. <br /><br />As the old saying goes, the road to hell is paved with good intentions. Also, if his intentions are that good, why does he patently ignore all responses to his arguments except to dishonestly quotemine them later. If he really wanted to help people out, wouldn't he be better served by getting to the truth of the matter first? <br /><br />Sure he may already believe he has gotten to the truth and all responses are simply attempts to mislead him and others. Still, if that is the case, on some level he must have to wonder why the need to dishonestly misrepresent the views and claims of those that oppose him. On some level he must realize that that is what he is doing. There really is no way it is accidental. Even if he doesn't recognize this then, were he sincere and sure of the validity of his position, then the claims that he is should motivate him to evaluate his actions further to ensure that he is not misrepresenting others, intentionally or otherwise. If he has the truth, afterall, why engage in such duplicity? <br /><br />As for Comfort's beliefs, does he really believe what he claims? No one could say or sure except Comfort himself but I doubt we'd get any kind of answer out him. What he claims to believe is so absurd that many if not most people wouldn't accept it but it may make sense in his worldview. However, he was quick to drop his bananna argument, which he presented as "The Atheist's Nightmare". Maybe the title was just dramatics. Since he is resistent to drop his other arguments that have all equally been shot down this indicates that he either knew it was a realy weak argument, and thus he really didn't buy it himself, or that he realized that he simply didn't think it through. If it is the former an earnest person would question why they would present an argument they didn't accept in an attempt to persuade others. If it is the latter an honest person would see that as a reason to reassess the initial beliefs surrounding the argument for error. Given his typical actions since we can be reasonably sure he did neither. <br /><br />There is also a third opition: he doesn't really believe any of the bilge he spews but he knows that it'll make him money. He has claimed on his videoes that a Christian shouldn't want to use their Christianity to make money yet that is what he tries to do with his books and his ridiculous speaking fees. Given this, how strongly can we say Comfort believes what he claims he does?<br /><br />Maybe you're right that we shouldn't say Comfort is the "world's stupidest Christian" because it might make us appear to be as closed- minded or unreasonable as he is, especially to those that may be on the fence. However, you are wrong that it is out of ignorance. Nothing you go on to say about this supports that claim. Indeed, it is because we know what Comfort has to say, is saying and how absurd and dishonest it is that we attach that moniker to him.Jeremyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01802892952926113605noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33241741.post-76120944950500516862009-07-07T09:12:52.042-05:002009-07-07T09:12:52.042-05:00I quite going to that idiot's blog. Here'...I quite going to that idiot's blog. Here's an example of why we <b>should</b> ignore him. He made <a href="http://raycomfortfood.blogspot.com/2008/03/expelled-review.html" rel="nofollow">a post</a> about how "Expelled" shows how "darwinism" was responsible for the holocaust, I <a href="http://raycomfortfood.blogspot.com/2008/03/expelled-review.html?showComment=1206808080000#c5453603529948094613" rel="nofollow">shot him down totally</a>, and <a href="http://raycomfortfood.blogspot.com/2008/03/expelled-review.html?showComment=1206811140000#c3201874046731671670" rel="nofollow">this</a> was his reply.<br /><br />Fortunately, <a href="http://raycomfortfood.blogspot.com/2008/03/expelled-review.html?showComment=1206816000000#c2798136183297784055" rel="nofollow">some others</a> did <a href="http://raycomfortfood.blogspot.com/2008/03/expelled-review.html?showComment=1206814380000#c6002408984642663303" rel="nofollow">not like</a> his, and his sycophants' stupid attitude.<br /><br />The irony? He's the one who's written a book called "You Can Lead an Atheist to Evidence, But You Can't Make Him Think".Reynoldhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07316048340050664487noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33241741.post-62679904615472060632009-07-07T08:09:48.408-05:002009-07-07T08:09:48.408-05:00I get the impression you don’t like Comfort. Calli...I get the impression you don’t like Comfort. Calling Comfort “The worlds stupidest Christian” is out of ignorance. You have to give Comfort some credit for the work he has done, the speeches, book writing (70 apx) and the countless hours as a street preacher (since 1970). You also have to give some respect for his tenacity. Comport has a very strong position in the Christian community and very well respected. I am not a Ray Comfort fan, but if you underestimate his experience with a phase “The worlds stupidest Christian” your severely underestimating your opponent. <br /><br /><br />ThunderF00t? Who is ThunderF00t? What are credentials other than just his videos on Youtube? Is he a PhD student? A professor in a teaching position, has he any papers, research or otherwise? Has he ever debated anyone, who, where, when? I am not trying to knock TF, but I think you are overestimating his abilities. <br /><br />The other reason I am writing this is I am really surprised of the tone from a member of the Atheist Experience. It seems you want to examine the fact from an emotional response then one from reason. I can see why some Christians feel unbelievers just belittle them and from this I can see why. <br /><br />Thanks.Jonathanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00715319397553428894noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33241741.post-13239475760575293662009-07-07T04:12:58.491-05:002009-07-07T04:12:58.491-05:00I side with Russell's well expressed argument....I side with Russell's well expressed argument. There are very few believers who come to Ray's blog and turn out to be a little more intelligent and actually interested in truth. Looking back, these are the people who started posting there, were engaged by rationalists, and after some days or weeks of back and forth left with more knowledge and far more critical of Ray's brand of beliefs. They are the minority, but once you know who the prechers and the actually insane people are and ignore them, there are people who can be reached. Ray himself deserves ridicule at most (which proves the Bible is right as we've all heard a million times). He can't really get success out of meeting Tfoot, except for purporting the impression that he, the White Knight, was interested in the atheist's wellbeing. But Tfoot reaches many more people, and we'll hopefully have a complete video compendium of all of Ray's tricks soundly demolished to his face. If people can really see that he looks even worse when he responds to an informed atheist than when avoiding meaningful responses on his blog, the White Knight impression could get a few cracks. Humans are visual beings, so twenty minutes or more of humiliation on video can do much more than hours of reading. Those who would still lick Ray's soles after that would have been lost to reason anyway.<br /><br />And for the lulz.felixhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00749925395851545703noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33241741.post-77972270697963860852009-07-06T22:10:21.945-05:002009-07-06T22:10:21.945-05:00I feel the pain of all the atheists here who want ...I feel the pain of all the atheists here who want to throw their hands in the air about some of these people. <br /><br />I'm maverik713 and thanks to AE and a few awesome youtubers, I've gotten lots of support from the atheist community. I hadn't officially planned to make any more videos until I saw the reaction and all the positive support. That being said, some of the videos I have to go through <b>suck balls</b>. Not only do I have to hear shitty arguments, I have to replay them dozens of times at certain points to break down the <i>shitforbrainsian</i> language of creationism. I still feel compelled to do it because we need to fight back, as petty as it may seem some times. <br /><br />As for Ray, my hope is that we can have some really thorough documentation of how Ray operates. The RRS didn't really realize what they were up against. Tf00t knows Ray and the tactics of his ilk all too well. Venom was a Ray Comfort Foot Soldier, and now Tf00t has a shot at Master Shredder.<br /><br />If I could spare the time, I'd go to Cali to get a front row seat to this one.The Invisible Pink Unicornhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12431132950971038781noreply@blogger.com