tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33241741.post7984455170036346920..comments2023-09-24T07:53:50.826-05:00Comments on The Atheist Experience™: The long term consequences of religious misologyUnknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger10125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33241741.post-25568424552223424772007-08-05T20:54:00.000-05:002007-08-05T20:54:00.000-05:00Well anon, at least you can pat yourself on the ba...Well anon, at least you can pat yourself on the back that this is one bad argument that isn't yours. Still, doesn't redound to your credit that you actually were silly enough to try to use it here.Martinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17933545393470431585noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33241741.post-55284546945017206842007-08-05T19:40:00.000-05:002007-08-05T19:40:00.000-05:00Oops didn't give credit for that scenarioSource: h...Oops didn't give credit for that scenario<BR/><BR/>Source: http://www.carm.org/apologetics/presuppositional.htmAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33241741.post-70391144125142553962007-08-05T19:26:00.000-05:002007-08-05T19:26:00.000-05:00Anon's little Socratic dialogue is such a deliciou...Anon's little Socratic dialogue is such a deliciously target-rich environment that I'm going to destroy it in its very own post.Martinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17933545393470431585noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33241741.post-81663655320766509252007-08-05T17:35:00.000-05:002007-08-05T17:35:00.000-05:00Ooops. I meant 'Martin' not 'Matt'. You see? Those...Ooops. I meant 'Martin' not 'Matt'. You see? Those insane posts have destroyed the brain cells that let me distinguish between AE hosts.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33241741.post-75859099180993569622007-08-05T14:28:00.000-05:002007-08-05T14:28:00.000-05:00Martin: I am an atheist and evolutionist. Prove ...Martin: I am an atheist and evolutionist. Prove to me there is a God.<BR/><BR/>Me: I do not think I can do that, because of your presuppositions.<BR/><BR/>Martin: Why not?<BR/><BR/>Me: Because your presuppositions will not allow you to examine without bias the evidence that I present to you for God's existence. <BR/><BR/>Martin: That is because there is no evidence for God's existence.<BR/><BR/>Me: See? There you go. You just confirmed what I was stating.<BR/><BR/>Martin: How so?<BR/><BR/>Me: Your presupposition is that there is no God; therefore, no matter what I might present to you to show His existence, you must interpret it in a manner consistent with your presupposition: namely, that there is no God. If I were to have a video tape of God coming down from heaven, you'd say it was a special effect. If I had a thousand eye-witnesses saying they saw Him, you'd say it was mass-hysteria. If I had Old Testament prophecies fulfilled in the New Testament, you'd say they were forged, dated incorrectly, or not real prophecies. So, I cannot prove anything to you since your presupposition won't allow it. It is limited.<BR/><BR/>Martin: It is not limited.<BR/><BR/>Me: Yes it is. Your presupposition cannot allow you to rightly determine God's existence from evidence -- providing that there were factual proofs of His existence. Don't you see? If I DID have incontrovertible proof, your presupposition would force you to interpret the facts consistently with your presupposition and you would not be able to see the proof.<BR/><BR/>Martin: I see your point, but I am open to being persuaded, if you can.<BR/><BR/>Me: Then, I must ask you, what kind of evidence would you accept that would prove God's existence? I must see what your presuppositions are and work either with them or against them.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33241741.post-19878303041386329152007-08-05T01:26:00.000-05:002007-08-05T01:26:00.000-05:00Aaaaahhh!!! Matt, why did you point me toward that...Aaaaahhh!!! Matt, why did you point me toward that last comment thread?!? My eyes! My brain! My brain is leaking out of my eyes!!!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33241741.post-57781902842583704332007-08-04T23:27:00.000-05:002007-08-04T23:27:00.000-05:00I've been convinced for a long time America is on ...<I><BR/>I've been convinced for a long time America is on the decline towards turning into an intellectual third world country, with Christianity boldly leading the race to the bottom.<BR/></I><BR/><BR/>Nah. Awful as things may be, they have been getting better, not worse. Then again, if that troll had turned up on <A HREF="http://wintershaven.net" REL="nofollow">my blog</A>, I might have been driven to despair top. <BR/><BR/>Your anon troll is... incredible. I grew up as an Anglican; sure, I eventually decided that my fellow churchgoers were misguided, but none of them were... that... painfully... stupid. It's not often you see someone reduce their own ideas to aburdity.Jacob Wintersmithhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02401297823158396936noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33241741.post-41122536971349890922007-08-04T13:16:00.000-05:002007-08-04T13:16:00.000-05:00I do think anon is taking it seriously, as best he...I do think anon is taking it seriously, as best he knows how, Otheranon. He just hasn't got the skills to provide, as you put it, the good facts and reasons to support his extraordinary claims and assertions. Deep down he knows that, I think. So he covers his rear by saying he doesn't have to, and is naive and foolish enough to think he can get away with it.Martinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17933545393470431585noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33241741.post-24950374344315782482007-08-04T13:12:00.000-05:002007-08-04T13:12:00.000-05:00I wish Christians (or any other theist believers) ...I wish Christians (or any other theist believers) would post here and take it seriously. I come to this blog and watch the TV show ever in the hope that a resoanble debate will be found. I find the atheist like Martin, Matt, Tracie, et.al. are indeed reasonable --- it is the Christians that always have failed to provide the good facts and reasons to support their extraordinary claims and assertions. I guess the day will have to come, for each person watching that the Christians simply don't have any good reasons or facts to provide.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33241741.post-16810920705328844182007-08-04T08:26:00.000-05:002007-08-04T08:26:00.000-05:00I cannot help but wonder at the motives of any Chr...I cannot help but wonder at the motives of any Christian troll who appears on an atheist blog. It seems to me that a troll either hopes to convert the blog owner or readers to his/her delusion or is simply looking to pick a fight. Many Christians visit out of curiosity or a genuine desire to learn something, but they don't end up being trolls. For the true troll, I'm just not sure there can be other motives besides conversion or fighting.vjackhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05868095335395368227noreply@blogger.com