tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33241741.post7547774505921872951..comments2023-09-24T07:53:50.826-05:00Comments on The Atheist Experience™: Rabbi really, really wants Intelligent Design to be true, so it must be!Unknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger21125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33241741.post-38734302599443007232011-08-24T17:47:38.262-05:002011-08-24T17:47:38.262-05:00@Ibis-Oh I know there were many creation myths whe...@Ibis-Oh I know there were many creation myths where there was no intelligent design, heck the idea that the creator-god is also the ruling-god is a relatively new concept (there were plenty of ruling gods that were either created by accident or the children of lesser, primitive gods). I was more wondering about contemporary theists. I should maybe narrow down my questions to Abrahamic theists: can they believe in God without also believe in some kind of intelligent design?Guillaumehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12376749604845793465noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33241741.post-63663483878635177352011-08-21T17:07:58.269-05:002011-08-21T17:07:58.269-05:00And if Germany does get a perfect 10, then France ...And if Germany does get a perfect 10, then France complains that ten is an artificial standard, it's all unfair and Germany is disqualified.Lukashttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01844177654412625852noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33241741.post-36960441875744271872011-08-21T11:23:29.511-05:002011-08-21T11:23:29.511-05:00Wouldn't it be great if the Olympics worked th...Wouldn't it be great if the Olympics worked the way he thinks things do? The German gymnast goes up onto the rings, does a really good routine, socres come in from the judges, and oh look, only an 8.7. Well that's not a perfect ten is it. Therefore, France doesn't need to do their routine and automatically wins gold and everyone can go home happy.AJ Greenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05435423804687320756noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33241741.post-7135981845196267332011-08-20T14:23:28.082-05:002011-08-20T14:23:28.082-05:00@Guillaume
No, not necessarily. The God as Creat...@Guillaume <br /><br />No, not necessarily. The God as Creator/Intelligent Designer is a very patriarchal (mostly Abrahamist) mythological framework. Other theistic origin stories have natural processes occurring to form the cosmos, or the cosmos being generated or born instead of designed/created, or the cosmos being the side effect of another action (separation of a pre-existing sky god/dess & earth god/dess). One of the popular late Helleno-Roman mythic motifs was the Platonic Good emanating "down" into ever more physical levels. Not really a design or creation per se, but a fall. The physical world is seen as just a thinning out of the ideal divine "signal".<br /><br />Any of these mythical models could work equally well with an acceptance of the Big Bang & evolution (perhaps much better actually than trying to shoehorn in an intelligent designer who can't design worth shit).Ibishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07354547321603494421noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33241741.post-78198014514835041762011-08-20T04:42:45.201-05:002011-08-20T04:42:45.201-05:00I wonder: is a theist a de facto supporter of a fo...I wonder: is a theist a de facto supporter of a form or other of intelligent design, whether he holds the Big Bang and evolution as true or not?Guillaumehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12376749604845793465noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33241741.post-89527472590112364052011-08-20T01:49:53.879-05:002011-08-20T01:49:53.879-05:00The article looks just like a huge god of the gaps...The article looks just like a huge god of the gaps argument. Basically, "science can't explain this, hence God."<br /><br />It's also dishonest. Just because there's no definitive unanimous agreement among biologists about how life might have formed doesn't mean there aren't plausible hypotheses of the actual mechanism. Saying that scientists "have no idea" is just dishonest.Warphttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13189653852079173848noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33241741.post-68029163765183430272011-08-18T14:54:19.505-05:002011-08-18T14:54:19.505-05:00My comment to Rabbi Moshe, if it goes down the mem...My comment to Rabbi Moshe, if it goes down the memory hole:<br /><br />Moshe: I’m stunned that you think quote-mining George Wald from almost SIXTY YEARS AGO (he uttered the words you quote in *1954*!) is responsive to anything.<br /><br />People here have been trying to explain this to you, rather patiently, without much success. Here’s another go:<br /><br />When you say that the only alternatives are life arising spontaneously or supernatural creation, you are either misrepresenting the current state of scientific knowledge or ignorant of it.<br /><br />George Wald had an excuse: he was writing during the Eisenhower administration. What’s yours?Andrewhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17218192046319743103noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33241741.post-18480685506211037002011-08-18T14:46:06.522-05:002011-08-18T14:46:06.522-05:00Your reply is up, Matt (and Moishe has replied to ...Your reply is up, Matt (and Moishe has replied to it), but you're screaming down a well over there. It's stupidity all the way down.Andrewhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17218192046319743103noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33241741.post-26644791027814745892011-08-18T12:51:35.257-05:002011-08-18T12:51:35.257-05:00If A then B.
B is true.
Therefore, A.
Couldn’t B ...<b>If A then B.<br />B is true.<br />Therefore, A.<br /><br />Couldn’t B be due to a cause different than A?</b><br /><br />Sure, it could, but it isn't. Because, you know, A causes B. And there's B right here. So, clearly A is true.<br /><br />Duh!Lukashttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01844177654412625852noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33241741.post-49390851750921356922011-08-18T12:30:01.459-05:002011-08-18T12:30:01.459-05:00It doesn't matter how many ways we discover wa...It doesn't matter how many ways we discover ways life could have started naturally. We'd still be banging our heads against this wall of willing ignorance. <br /><br />This makes me sad.nickdrumrhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05636999414691686311noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33241741.post-32059510141166090202011-08-18T12:21:00.607-05:002011-08-18T12:21:00.607-05:00I was surprised to see you responding to Avarick a...I was surprised to see you responding to Avarick article. I just wrote about it on my blog. I enjoyed seeing a very good(and much more brief!) synopsis of his faulty argument that because we can make something, all instances of that something are made by someone.<br /><br />Here's my site, I'd appreciate feedback: http://theuncannyiota.wordpress.com/2011/08/17/longing-for-some-designer-genes/iotahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02309509335305028967noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33241741.post-61785268834799192382011-08-18T08:01:55.327-05:002011-08-18T08:01:55.327-05:00If A then B.
B is true.
Therefore, A.
Couldn’t B ...If A then B.<br />B is true.<br />Therefore, A.<br /><br />Couldn’t B be due to a cause different than A?<br /><br />Doh.<br /><br />Basic logic never seems to give the creationists a break.John K.https://www.blogger.com/profile/11579041716600940838noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33241741.post-41352492310956751812011-08-18T07:14:30.092-05:002011-08-18T07:14:30.092-05:00How the mind of the creationist works:
Unsuccessf...How the mind of the creationist works:<br /><br />Unsuccessful experiments = intelligent design.<br /><br />Successful experiments = intelligent design.Excreduloushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02910201049922531627noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33241741.post-38159522919086056662011-08-18T06:07:14.494-05:002011-08-18T06:07:14.494-05:00I'm going to make a vague reference to a post ...I'm going to make a vague reference to a post and then follow up with a spam link to a product.JThttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08881036419280903737noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33241741.post-40032154586394558932011-08-18T05:40:26.029-05:002011-08-18T05:40:26.029-05:00I would really like your post ,it would really exp...I would really like your post ,it would really explain each and every point clearly well thanks for sharing.<br /><br /><a href="http://www.turbochargerpros.com/turboparts/Audi/Allroad_Quattro/Turbocharger.html" rel="nofollow"> Audi All Road Quattro Turbocharger</a>pixymagichttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01190649164739045330noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33241741.post-29054802286071380052011-08-18T04:35:30.203-05:002011-08-18T04:35:30.203-05:00After citing a quote which is quite easily underst...After citing a quote which is quite easily understood the author then writes....<br /><br />"let me translate the aforementioned citation into clear, plain language that can be understood by all."<br /><br />If I was a regular reader of this newspaper/magazine I would be offended at his assumption that I was illiterate.Father Of Lightshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01596689529836270188noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33241741.post-39695533648570064672011-08-18T02:53:17.634-05:002011-08-18T02:53:17.634-05:00Never trust an online news paper that doesnt have ...Never trust an online news paper that doesnt have a science section.<br /><br />And if you think that article was infuriating read this:<br />http://www.algemeiner.com/2011/07/14/why-dont-atheists-get-it-actually-some-do/eimerianhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01828469060198765454noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33241741.post-86539718230608537012011-08-17T23:14:16.136-05:002011-08-17T23:14:16.136-05:00I sometimes get frustrated with how myopic those w...I sometimes get frustrated with how myopic those who support the supernatural can be. It gets so bad sometimes that I find it hard to even work up the motivation to argue.Daemon6https://www.blogger.com/profile/06379313038024703056noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33241741.post-1710289436082958832011-08-17T20:54:23.005-05:002011-08-17T20:54:23.005-05:00Wow, I am sorry to say that Rabbi Moshe Averick re...Wow, I am sorry to say that Rabbi Moshe Averick really does not get it. I haven't seen such a jumble of argument from ignorance, authority, and just plain lack of understanding of the quotes from the various doctors that were included in his post. (some of which I can't find a reference to, so I am assuming that they may, in fact, be doctored)<br /><br />and Matt, your post is there nowMAtheisthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12489281535410681576noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33241741.post-11939363796588128272011-08-17T18:23:41.212-05:002011-08-17T18:23:41.212-05:00I replied:
"Not to mention: life created by h...I replied:<br />"Not to mention: life created by human intelligence is still purely natural. If human beings can make something happen in nature, then clearly that thing can happen… in nature. No supernatural creator is required."FreePlayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13211650671189898841noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33241741.post-18056153027777509282011-08-17T17:04:32.702-05:002011-08-17T17:04:32.702-05:00I like to read a small post for a change, I don...I like to read a small post for a change, I don't have enough time to read this blog, to my great sadness. This post short, sweet and straight to the point. And I love the example.Guillaumehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12376749604845793465noreply@blogger.com