tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33241741.post7305855918297861177..comments2007-12-06T08:57:17.623-06:00Martinhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/17933545393470431585noreply@blogger.comBlogger12125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33241741.post-9207384536400721282007-12-06T08:57:00.000-06:002007-12-06T08:57:00.000-06:00

Hi tracieh,Good talking to you. The 2 Timothy psg refers to "Scripture" as being God-breathed. In direct allusion he was of course referring to the Old Testament, but the New Testament authors seemed to be aware that they were writing Scripture as well (such as in 2 Peter 3:16). The description carries over to whatever is Scripture.Same for 2 Peter 1:20. Good question.2 Peter 1:19 seems to

Rhologyhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14245825667079220242noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33241741.post-48049973832991823062007-12-05T11:01:00.000-06:002007-12-05T11:01:00.000-06:00

Rhology:I read your blog post on infallibility. Just a couple questions:You cited these verses as your basis for claiming that “The Bible claims itself to be breathed out by God”: “2 Tim 3:16-17, 2 Peter 1:20, 2 Peter 3:16In Timothy, it references “scripture,” but as Timothy was written before there was a Bible, what is your basis for the claim “scripture” in Timothy references New Testament

traciehhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/13375806982865487478noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33241741.post-5661406650378206222007-12-05T07:57:00.000-06:002007-12-05T07:57:00.000-06:00

NAL,What I take from your statement is that you're offering me $10,000 to murder your family.I'm reporting you to the police; I wonder if the court would find you guilty of conspiracy to commit murder and thus hold you responsible..

Rhologyhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14245825667079220242noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33241741.post-1917883069122113922007-12-04T11:00:00.000-06:002007-12-04T11:00:00.000-06:00

But why hold the Bible responsible when people misuse it?Then why hold the Bible responsible when people don't misuse it? If the Bible is a basis for morality when not misused, then it is also a basis for immorality when misused.

NALhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/12244370945682162312noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33241741.post-60546317601525839702007-12-04T08:37:00.000-06:002007-12-04T08:37:00.000-06:00

Hi Martin,Just to correct - SOME Christians might want to show off, but that is a behavior condemned multiples times by Jesus. I do good for several reasons, none of which is to show off and the foremost of which is to please my Master Jesus, Who saved me and Whom I love so much.Atheists behave "morally" b/c they've been socially conditioned to do so and don't want to be punished for breaking

Rhologyhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14245825667079220242noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33241741.post-89270528245805896982007-12-03T22:52:00.000-06:002007-12-03T22:52:00.000-06:00

A quick addendum, in case it seems I didn't answer Rho's question here:3) If the former, couldn't one isolate words unjustifiably from any document including your own bloggings and make it into an evil ideology?I suppose they could, sure. But that presents a serious problem for your Bible. Because unlike just about any secular piece of writing in the world, the Bible, like the Koran, is a holy

Martin Wagnerhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/17933545393470431585noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33241741.post-69948351124251855752007-12-03T20:24:00.000-06:002007-12-03T20:24:00.000-06:00

Yes, you're absolutely right. Works are irrelevant to salvation; works DEMONSTRATE one's salvation.Then the example of atheists and their good works ought to demonstrate that Christianity and its "salvation" are irrelevant to moral matters as they affect people in their day to day lives on this planet. To repeat, Christians engage in moral behaviors because they want to show off how pious and

Martin Wagnerhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/17933545393470431585noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33241741.post-66334480339021127102007-12-03T15:43:00.000-06:002007-12-03T15:43:00.000-06:00

Hi Martin,Yes, you're absolutely right. Works are irrelevant to salvation; works DEMONSTRATE one's salvation. I suspect not all Christians interpret that as you do eitherWhy would I or anyone care how other people "interpret that"? It has a meaning. Your comment has a meaning - one can know it from determining the authorial intent. Same for the Bible. If someone "interprets" your post to

Rhologyhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14245825667079220242noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33241741.post-73716151572854718402007-12-03T15:16:00.000-06:002007-12-03T15:16:00.000-06:00

There's a big difference, as I'm sure Martin would have to agree, between using Christian words and such and actually being a Christian by conviction, which demonstrates itself by action.But I thought "works" were irrelevant to one's salvation. Or were the people telling me that not "true" Christians either?However it is that Christians use their Big Book of Multiple Choice to justify

Martin Wagnerhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/17933545393470431585noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33241741.post-26153229455163617902007-12-03T09:16:00.000-06:002007-12-03T09:16:00.000-06:00

Thanks Ben, I was gonna say that (and did, actually ;-) ).There's a big difference, as I'm sure Martin would have to agree, between using Christian words and such and actually being a Christian by conviction, which demonstrates itself by action.Martin,I'd agree - "rejection of the Church's dogma and authority" isn't what makes you a Christian. It's a relationship with Jesus Christ Himself; any

Rhologyhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14245825667079220242noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33241741.post-2507607809433550962007-11-30T16:39:00.000-06:002007-11-30T16:39:00.000-06:00

Well, maybe, maybe not. A lot of people will say Hitler was also not a Christian, because of his rejection of the Church's dogma and authority. But that isn't what makes you "not a Christian." It's clear from a number of sources Hitler never relinquished the Catholic theistic beliefs in which he was raised, even if he rejected the church's authority and believed that he was the one appointed by "

Martin Wagnerhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/17933545393470431585noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33241741.post-83439840286701714282007-11-30T16:03:00.000-06:002007-11-30T16:03:00.000-06:00

97.8% off-topic:Hitler was probably not a vegetarian. According to wikipedia and others.

Benhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/18365355509420961754noreply@blogger.com