tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33241741.post7192126834353815931..comments2023-09-24T07:53:50.826-05:00Comments on The Atheist Experience™: Christian Hate wins in Maine...but...Unknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger65125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33241741.post-22987931252901073122009-11-15T15:31:51.011-06:002009-11-15T15:31:51.011-06:00Fortunately, I live in a country where gay marriag...Fortunately, I live in a country where gay marriage per Janyary 1 this year is legal. Furthermore, I am of the opinion that this isn't something that should have to be up for a vote; human rights never should. <br /><br />I'm not naive enough to think that the issue won't be put to a vote, however. Conservatives are calling for the same even here.MrKayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11819693861177152670noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33241741.post-18089527170929191032009-11-12T09:04:18.555-06:002009-11-12T09:04:18.555-06:00I'll add that stuff like Star Trek might be be...I'll add that stuff like Star Trek might be better literary wise than the bible.<br /><br />a) it either has one author or is in a short amount time wise that the collaborators get a sense of consistency, rather than the anthology of books the bible does a half ass job editing into a 'narrative'<br />b) it's claims philosophically/ethically are closer to our time and thus are more relevant<br />c) they may have robots, pirates, and/or better sex scenes.<br />d) Clint Eastwood, Morgan Freeman, Sammuel Motherfucker L Jackson, Sean Conory and Patrick Stewart, and other greats show up very few times in the bible. In a book that claims to record the works of prophets this is a very drastic oversight. <br />e) Access and use of an editor through the publishing agent in most cases.<br /><br />d)Save for Tolkien most lack long chapters of nothing but boring genealogiesInghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13024689390434414829noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33241741.post-86565816464071539362009-11-12T08:59:36.567-06:002009-11-12T08:59:36.567-06:00":I've never read a Star Trek manual. How...":I've never read a Star Trek manual. How carefully do you read them?"<br /><br />You haven't? I still have the manual to my old Toshiba Startrek. I can't get the warp driver to work though and tech support is no good even though they tell me they're giving it all they got.Inghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13024689390434414829noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33241741.post-78302309383246780402009-11-11T18:43:03.616-06:002009-11-11T18:43:03.616-06:00<-- Maine Voter. Voted no. Surprised. Disappoin...<-- Maine Voter. Voted no. Surprised. Disappointed.<br /><br />I do find our society polarization interesting, though. We think so fundamentally different.<br /><br />I would ask, "Why would issues, such as tradition, 'sanctity' or dictionary definition have any relevance in granting a basic civil right that shouldn't even have been an issue to begin with?".<br /><br />They ask, "Why would we discard tradition, the sanctity of marriage, or modify dictionary definitions, merely to allow a few people from doing something they shouldn't be doing to begin with?".<br /><br />Debate is okay, and good. Stupid argument points aren't. I'm still waiting for <i>any</i> objective argument against it. Even if we "Teach 2nd graders homosexual marriage" - so what?<br /><br />I just can't fathom it.Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05491878203645997521noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33241741.post-34643155621820838682009-11-10T17:36:58.435-06:002009-11-10T17:36:58.435-06:00Dawkwin,
Kazim said:
Chapter and verse, plea...Dawkwin,<br /><br /><i>Kazim said:<br /><br /> Chapter and verse, please. I'd like to see a specific passage saying that your god rescinded the commandment saying that shellfish is an abomination, which doesn't also affect the part in the very same passage that mentioned homosexuality.<br /><br /> (In a later statement of the same comment you reversed.)<br /><br /> Actually, you pretty much nailed it with that comment. Quoting God, as far as I'm concerned, is just quoting a fictional character.</i><br /><br />You appear to be claiming a contradiction between these two statements for some reason, but I don't see what you think it is. Asking what a fictional character said in the source material does not make it non-fiction.<br /><br /><i>Romans 14<br />1Accept him whose faith is weak, without passing judgment on disputable matters.</i><br /><br />Stop.<br /><br />If you're going to treat this passage as <i>negating</i> the injunction against eating shellfish, then clearly this also lifts the ban against homosexuality. You want to pretend that the chapter has to do only with the food you eat, but it describes a multitude of behaviors, leading up to the verse that says: "Therefore let us stop passing judgment on one another." Since that's the case, why are you still so neurotic about homosexuality? And if you think that the ban on homosexuality is still in effect, why are you playing games with your eternal soul -- again, only according to your beliefs, not mine -- on the very risky proposition that God no longer disapproves of that other "abomination," shellfish?<br /><br /><i>Why won't you read something with the care you would a Star Trek manual?</i><br /><br />I've never read a Star Trek manual. How carefully do you read them?<br /><br /><i>I hated and/or didn't believe God existed for many years also.<br /><br />So the sarcasm is something I am very familiar.</i><br /><br />Which was it? Did you hate God, or not believe in one? You're speaking as if the two are synonymous, which makes no sense. Do you hate Darth Vader? And why do you pretend that you have experience with my opinions, if you can't even grasp this simple point?<br /><br /><i>I am not against gays, homophobics (people who think they can catch gayness like it's transferble like bacteria or DNA),atheists or religious zealots.</i><br /><br />Sweet! Then I guess you won't be bothered if gay marriage is approved. After all, it used to be a crime against God but, like shellfish, Jesus changed all that.<br /><br />See, we can work out our differences.<br /><br /><i>But God's Mercy is through His Son Jesus Christ and IF we are repulsed by the sin that God already sees as deserving of condemnation and turn from it as He does; THEN we can trust that what Yeshua did for us by paying our fine in His Life's blood then we can be saved from what we deserve and have this eternal life that I pray at least someone who reads this will find.<br /><br />John 3:17<br />"For God did not send the Son into the world to judge the world, but that the world MIGHT be saved through Him.</i><br /><br />Yes yes, that's all very interesting, but you haven't successfully made a case that any of this is non-fiction. For someone who claims to have been an atheist, you certainly lack a basic understanding of what kind of evidence would be persuasive to somebody.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05324968314168283095noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33241741.post-18726388660352294752009-11-10T16:07:30.665-06:002009-11-10T16:07:30.665-06:00Dawkwin: Government run schools have definitely co...Dawkwin: <i>Government run schools have definitely contributed to the Hate Speech against the Truth of God's Word and the forced belief in Evolutionary (Macro)Mythology.</i><br /><br />Schools teach evolution because it is a verifiable (and verified) scientific fact. What you call "God's Word" is merely one set of religious beliefs among many, and, like all the others, without a shred of scientific evidence to support it. I suppose you could, if you really stretched the definition to its breaking point, call proper education "hate speech" against your cherished Bronze Age myths, but it would only be in the same way that education as a process "hates" ignorance in general, and seeks to rectify it by informing people of facts.<br /><br />Anyway, as you demonstrate yourself, education is a thing certain folks gleefully choose to ignore. Now you just need to understand that, if you choose to ignore education, you've given up the right to declare to educated people that your uneducated blatherings are more factual than their knowledge.<br /><br /><i>God doesn't demand that you not be gay.<br /><br />He demands that you be perfect morally.</i><br /><br />Please clarify: do you believe salvation is by faith or by works?Martinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17933545393470431585noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33241741.post-86498120717962669132009-11-10T15:38:53.600-06:002009-11-10T15:38:53.600-06:00>>If you just ran by without reading this......>>If you just ran by without reading this...not part...all...carefully then if you care to respond great...if not.<br /><br />>>Why won't you read something with the care you would a Star Trek manual?<br /><br />>>I hated and/or didn't believe God existed for many years also.<br /><br />>>So the sarcasm is something I am very familiar.<br /><br />>I am not against gays, homophobics (people who think they can catch gayness like it's transferble like bacteria or DNA),atheists or religious zealots.<br /><br />>I am not against murderers, adulterers, liars, thieves.<br /><br />>On the contrary.<br /><br />>We have all sinned and deserve justice just like the one who plowed into the World Trade Center buildings in 2001.<br /><br />>But God's Mercy is through His Son Jesus Christ and IF we are repulsed by the sin that God already sees as deserving of condemnation and turn from it as He does; THEN we can trust that what Yeshua did for us by paying our fine in His Life's blood then we can be saved from what we deserve and have this eternal life that I pray at least someone who reads this will find.<br /><br />John 3:17<br />"For God did not send the Son into the world to judge the world, but that the world MIGHT be saved through Him.dawkwinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00680350817784834000noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33241741.post-12253999833692566592009-11-10T15:38:30.527-06:002009-11-10T15:38:30.527-06:00Kazim said:
Chapter and verse, please. I'd li...Kazim said:<br /><br />Chapter and verse, please. I'd like to see a specific passage saying that your god rescinded the commandment saying that shellfish is an abomination, which doesn't also affect the part in the very same passage that mentioned homosexuality.<br /><br />(In a later statement of the same comment you reversed.)<br /><br />Actually, you pretty much nailed it with that comment. Quoting God, as far as I'm concerned, is just quoting a fictional character.<br /><br />>But you were curious enought to ask.<br /><br />Romans 14<br />1Accept him whose faith is weak, without passing judgment on disputable matters.<br /><br />One man’s faith allows him to eat everything, but another man, whose faith is weak, eats only vegetables. <br /><br />The man who eats everything must not look down on him who does not, and the man who does not eat everything must not condemn the man who does, for God has accepted him. <br /><br />Who are you to judge someone else’s servant? To his own master he stands or falls. And he will stand, for the Lord is able to make him stand. <br /><br />One man considers one day more sacred than another; another man considers every day alike. Each one should be fully convinced in his own mind. <br /><br />He who regards one day as special, does so to the Lord. He who eats meat, eats to the Lord, for he gives thanks to God; and he who abstains, does so to the Lord and gives thanks to God. <br /><br />For none of us lives to himself alone and none of us dies to himself alone. <br /><br />If we live, we live to the Lord; and if we die, we die to the Lord. So, whether we live or die, we belong to the Lord. <br /><br />For this very reason, Christ died and returned to life so that he might be the Lord of both the dead and the living. <br /><br />You, then, why do you judge your brother? Or why do you look down on your brother? For we will all stand before God’s judgment seat. It is written:<br /><br />“‘As surely as I live,’ says the Lord,<br /><br />‘every knee will bow before me;<br /><br />every tongue will confess to God.’” <br /><br />So then, each of us will give an account of himself to God. <br /><br />Therefore let us stop passing judgment on one another. Instead, make up your mind not to put any stumbling block or obstacle in your brother’s way. <br /><br />As one who is in the Lord Jesus, I am fully convinced that no foodb is unclean in itself. But if anyone regards something as unclean, then for him it is unclean. <br /><br />If your brother is distressed because of what you eat, you are no longer acting in love. Do not by your eating destroy your brother for whom Christ died. <br /><br />Do not allow what you consider good to be spoken of as evil. <br /><br />For the kingdom of God is not a matter of eating and drinking, but of righteousness, peace and joy in the Holy Spirit, because anyone who serves Christ in this way is pleasing to God and approved by men. <br /><br />Let us therefore make every effort to do what leads to peace and to mutual edification. <br /><br />Do not destroy the work of God for the sake of food. All food is clean, but it is wrong for a man to eat anything that causes someone else to stumble. <br /><br />It is better not to eat meat or drink wine or to do anything else that will cause your brother to fall. <br /><br />So whatever you believe about these things keep between yourself and God. Blessed is the man who does not condemn himself by what he approves. <br /><br />But the man who has doubts is condemned if he eats, because his eating is not from faith; and everything that does not come from faith is sin.dawkwinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00680350817784834000noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33241741.post-74622630223636518612009-11-10T14:36:06.450-06:002009-11-10T14:36:06.450-06:00You know what...you are just as correct as all get...<i>You know what...you are just as correct as all get out.</i><br /><br />Good insight, Dawk! Glad to see you coming around.<br /><br /><i>Anyone who believes that the Word of God is just a hypocrite even if the food restrictions have been Biblically released based on the New Testament/Covenant.</i><br /><br />Chapter and verse, please. I'd like to see a specific passage saying that your god rescinded the commandment saying that shellfish is an <b>abomination</b>, which doesn't also affect the part in the very same passage that mentioned homosexuality.<br /><br />Because if you don't have such a thing, and yet you continue to eat shellfish, I would think one of two things must be true. Either you are playing with fire, and counting on the fact that your <b>guesses</b> about morality are correct, risking hellfire in the process; or else you don't really take the Bible's moral commands as seriously as you claim you do.<br /><br /><i>I haven't found the let adultery and fornication abound verse.</i><br /><br />Yes, but I think the question at hand is, who really gives a rat's ass about what the Bible says? It certainly seems to me that you don't.<br /><br /><i>If you are anti or NON God anyway, then don't let my words get you agitated.</i><br /><br />Just because you are acting like a whiny troll and I am responding to you does not make me agitated. It so happens that I find this fun.<br /><br /><i>didn't find man joined to man or woman joined to woman or for that matter 3 men joined to 2 women or a woman joined to a cat.<br /><br />But I know it's kind of like you quoting Tony the Tiger.</i><br /><br />Actually, you pretty much nailed it with that comment. Quoting God, as far as I'm concerned, is just quoting a fictional character. The character's opinions about morality are interesting, to be sure, just as an Ayn Rand character or Captain Kirk (see "<a href="http://atheistexperience.blogspot.com/2008/04/closed-captioned-for-humor-impaired.html" rel="nofollow">Star Trek Rule</a>") is worth listening to for curiosity's sake. Just not granted any special status, and anyone can agree or disagree with the character's opinions depending on how persuasive they are when they justify them.<br /><br />But we were talking about where you get <i>your</i> opinions about morality, since you feel like it is so important for us to hear. Again, it obviously has nothing to do with the Bible, whose rules you feel free to accept or ignore at your convenience.<br /><br /><i>but since you seem to be intrenched in a book (partially) that you seem not to believe in, then keep up the good work.</i><br /><br />You are silly. You showed up and started talking about "Biblical morality." The only reason I wouldn't be talking about the Bible right now is if I decided to ignore you. Is that your preference?Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05324968314168283095noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33241741.post-30627676518493746292009-11-10T13:56:13.640-06:002009-11-10T13:56:13.640-06:00Gentle Jesus, Meek and Mild?
It is an apologist ...Gentle Jesus, Meek and Mild? <br /><br />It is an apologist canard that Jesus and the NT Gospels somehow "reset" the Covenant between humanity and JHVH and obviate the Leviticus/Mosaic laws.<br /><br />However, in the NT...<br /><br />...Matthew 5:17-19 has Jesus explicitly state that he has NOT come to abolish those laws. They are eternal. They do not change.<br /><br />...Luke 16:17 restates this; the laws are as fixed as Heaven itself.<br /><br />... 2 Timothy 3:16 declares that all scripture is valid and useful and correct. That would include the laws.<br /><br />... 2 Peter 20-21 makes it clear that scriptures cannot be subject to personal interpretation. They mean what they say. So "kill kids who sass Mom and Dad" means... KILL. RUDE. CHILDREN.<br /><br />(Since this describes pretty much every child who has ever walked the earth, enforcement of this law means the end of the human race.)<br /><br />If anything, Jesus was even more totalitarian and savage than his prophetic forebears when it came to human frailty. You weren't even safe from him in your own mind.<br /><br />Go read Matthew 5:27. So Moses would cut your throat for sleeping with another man's wife? Jesus would have you burn eternally in Hell for even THINKING about it. <br /><br />Orwell called this "Thought Crime."<br /><br />Big Jesus Is Watching You.George From NYhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06158111795024631345noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33241741.post-46828647747751982852009-11-10T13:41:15.226-06:002009-11-10T13:41:15.226-06:00cold and dark.
civility costs nothing and ad homi...cold and dark.<br /><br />civility costs nothing and ad hominen attacks achieve little.<br /><br />However rational, critical thought takes some effort.March Harehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13116034158087704885noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33241741.post-75296655863455635742009-11-10T13:33:49.589-06:002009-11-10T13:33:49.589-06:00Sorry Doom you are CA
I meant Hare in UK
I appre...Sorry Doom you are CA<br /><br />I meant Hare in UK<br /><br />I appreciate your civility.dawkwinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00680350817784834000noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33241741.post-7805568120849993282009-11-10T13:31:58.688-06:002009-11-10T13:31:58.688-06:00"When we tell a child not to go near a fire w..."When we tell a child not to go near a fire we don't simply say "because I say so", we explain that the fire is hot and they will be hurt. Where is that explanation in the Bible?"<br /><br />>At a certain age you do.<br /><br />>Do you explain to a 2 year old why they shouldn't climb a book shelf?<br /><br />>No, you must take the authority first, then when they are ready and able to understand, then information detail helps.<br /><br />>When God gave His commands He had His reasons.<br /><br />>If I don't know them all then I may have to wait: kind of like the end of a Scooby-Doo episode.<br /><br />>No harm no foul.<br /><br />>How are things in the UK?dawkwinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00680350817784834000noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33241741.post-73782072522516042642009-11-10T13:14:14.922-06:002009-11-10T13:14:14.922-06:00@dawkin
"I am dawkin and I cannot respond to...@dawkin<br /><br />"I am dawkin and I cannot respond to anything anyone posts about"<br /><br />In conclusion, hahahahahahaha!<br /><br />Congratulations, you no longer exist, because responding to you elicits no results. In fact, I no longer believe you are really truthful in your claims or your beliefs. If you really believe in god and the bible, you are the laziest proselytizer I have ever encountered. You are pathetic; a sufficiently advanced form of technology could give me better reason to believe than you.<br /><br />I will no longer acknowledge anything you say and I encourage others on this board to follow suit. Your words are meaningless here. This is not blind faith to science, but disappointment in your ability to engage in the simplest form of dialogue.<br /><br />I no longer feel sorry for you and you have given me even more reason to not believe in a god, which makes me all the more content and happy with my life.<br /><br />Goodbye and enjoy your loneliness.Doom03https://www.blogger.com/profile/13290607738323035380noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33241741.post-81104397502151321932009-11-10T12:45:42.541-06:002009-11-10T12:45:42.541-06:00Gotta go water my Pegusus.Gotta go water my Pegusus.dawkwinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00680350817784834000noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33241741.post-23044182101371778792009-11-10T12:40:12.811-06:002009-11-10T12:40:12.811-06:00Dawkwin: "Government run schools have definit...Dawkwin: "Government run schools have definitely contributed to the Hate Speech against the Truth of God's Word and the forced belief in Evolutionary (Macro)Mythology."<br /><br />How nice that your little group of Christians knows better than the Catholic Church, the Anglican Church and every major church in Europe AND every reputable biologist about the falsity of evolution.<br /><br />Are there other scientific facts you'd like to share with us, maybe that light comes in discrete packets of energy, or maybe it doesn't, let's check the magic book to find out.<br /><br />Can you maybe tell us the reason we are not to plant two crops in the same field, despite modern farming methods proving that, for certain crops, it increases yields; or why we shouldn't wear clothes woven from two different fibres.<br /><br />And, why doesn't your magic book of answers tell you why certain things should be done, or not, simply that they should? When we tell a child not to go near a fire we don't simply say "because I say so", we explain that the fire is hot and they will be hurt. Where is that explanation in the Bible?March Harehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13116034158087704885noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33241741.post-12639971216314801682009-11-10T12:30:42.241-06:002009-11-10T12:30:42.241-06:00This comment has been removed by the author.dawkwinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00680350817784834000noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33241741.post-18881488959450267482009-11-10T12:26:05.509-06:002009-11-10T12:26:05.509-06:00Doom03
see previous comment...
"I know you ...Doom03<br /><br />see previous comment...<br /><br />"I know you will not reply to any substance of this post."<br /><br />>>You believe that the majority is correct, as long as it fits your belief, wants, desires.<br /><br />>>whether the vote by America remains true to God's morality or not doesn't change God's morality...just America's.<br /><br />>In other words: You hate the outcome of the recent Maine vote.<br /><br />>So you don't believe in the democratic system...until it goes your way.<br /><br />>Thank you for letting us know who we need to speak with.<br /><br />>You are correct.<br /><br />>Government run schools have definitely contributed to the Hate Speech against the Truth of God's Word and the forced belief in Evolutionary (Macro)Mythology.dawkwinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00680350817784834000noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33241741.post-8295780761085196152009-11-10T12:21:36.157-06:002009-11-10T12:21:36.157-06:00@Doomo3
Apologies for implying that you held any v...@Doomo3<br />Apologies for implying that you held any views about incestuous couples, you have said nothing about them and it was simply my intention to preempt most people's rationalisation of their initial disgust reaction.<br />However, when the battle for equality for gay people in marriage (a ludicrous concept) is finally won, as it surely must be, there will still be very small minority sections of society irrationally and immorally barred from it.<br /><br />@Dawkwins, you are bringing a knife to a gun fight here. Believe in a deity so you can get over your something from nothing problem if you wish, but don't think He wrote a book 2000-odd years ago that is the greatest morality tale ever written. Don't think that because you cannot use reason to form your own morality that you have the right to enforce yours onto everyone else when it doesn't affect you. You ignore DNA evidence that proves it is impossible for us to have come from two individuals. The DNA evidence that proves our close relationship with the animals we see around us. The fossils that show us creatures changing over time.<br /><br />You really should try to use the 'god-given' intelligence you have to think critically. There are (weak) arguments for Christianity and a theistic God but you quite obviously do not understand them.<br /><br />As a final query, do you know how the Bible was put together? When most people find this out they get angry or doubt the Bible just that little bit, so here's a link for you:<br />http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_Council_of_Nicaea<br />Have a look and let me know if you think the inerrant word of god really came from a political gathering with untold compromises... If you can understand what went on and still believe in the Trinity etc. then you have insight that must truly be inspired by the holy spirit (or some form of spirit).March Harehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13116034158087704885noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33241741.post-78017291368989351792009-11-10T12:14:24.302-06:002009-11-10T12:14:24.302-06:00I have no clue what Dawkins is saying. His senten...I have no clue what Dawkins is saying. His sentences are too fragmented for me to read and the annoying tendency to post things<br /><br />>>like this<br /><br />>>>> or this<br /><br /><br />>>makes it<br />>>hard to get<br /><br />>>what he's trying to say.<br /><br /><br /><br />Seriously, though. Science is a faith because it disagrees with you. Honestly, whatever. The opposite of faith is not also faith, it's observation. Faith==believing in spite of evidence or lack of evidence so the opposite of it would be believing only because of evidence. <br /><br />That hard to get?<br /><br /><br /><br />Anyway if you're arguing the bible morality allows for shellfish etc because Jesus removed dietary laws (according to one interpretation of a verse), how is your morality absolute. God made the laws and then Jesus who is god unmade them. That's not absolute...that's arbitrary.Inghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13024689390434414829noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33241741.post-22979166051028071982009-11-10T12:00:55.005-06:002009-11-10T12:00:55.005-06:00March Hare said...
"Okay dawkwin, the Sabbat...March Hare said... <br />"Okay dawkwin, the Sabbath rule was never revoked in the New Testament, so do you wish to invoke the death penalty for anyone who breaks that commandment? Do you lobby your confressman to repeal laws that allow people to work on the Sabbath?<br /><br />And if you're going to take the Commandments seriously, should you not be lobbying for a ban on all non_Christian, or at least non_Abrahimic religions?<br /><br />But at the beginning of creation God ‘made them male and female. Okay, we can stop right there. Anyone who literally believes in Adam and Eve is plainly blind to all evidence and will choose their strange interpretation of the Holy Book over any argument."<br /><br />>So I should believe everything from nothing...ok not nothing but certainly not anything that we could specifically know.<br /><br />>But scientifically I should trust the missing beginning...the missing links...and the missing purpose.<br /><br />>No thanks, I already have a faith.dawkwinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00680350817784834000noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33241741.post-21064514924228947732009-11-10T11:56:04.413-06:002009-11-10T11:56:04.413-06:00@dawkwin
"You are going to do what you want ...@dawkwin<br /><br />"You are going to do what you want either way."<br /><br />Stop being an idiot.<br /><br />Then why are YOU continuing to post to this board?<br /><br />Seriously, you can make the dumb argument that atheists shouldn't get worked up if we don't believe in a god (there is no such thing as an anti-God atheist, to claim there could be shows how much of an idiot you are), but you are the one continually posting on an atheist message board.<br /><br />Maybe if you actually read our responses, you would see that none of us are getting worked up over what your non-existent god said. If we get worked up over a Bible passage, it is because maybe some people get upset when people believe nonsense for the wrong reasons.<br /><br />Are you telling me that if, when you were a little idiot, someone accused your mother of being a witch, and every day in the village people would spit at her, and curse at her, and then at night would throw eggs and shit at your house, your whole family would sit inside and smile, knowing that god was on your side? Bullshit. You would get upset. You would get angry that people thought something of your family that was not true and try to defend yourself, like what we are doing from egg-throwers like you.<br /><br />Meta-commentary: I know you will not reply to any substance of this post. Much like my prediction that every response of yours would be an argumentative fallacy (which you might want to look up), you simply reply in idiotic quips like, "Derr! All I am saying is don't be a sinner! Derr!" or "Just trust in God! He knows the way!"<br /><br />Don't try to tell me that if a Muslim or Buddhist spoke religiously to you as you do to us, such as "Follow the True Word of Allah and the Koran" or "You must end the cycle of death and rebirth and achieve nirvana," that any of these words would spur you, in yourself, to true action. They are as meaningless to you as your words are to us. If you say otherwise, I will know you are an idiot AND a liar.<br /><br />I await your generic response.<br /><br />Love,<br /><br />Doom03Doom03https://www.blogger.com/profile/13290607738323035380noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33241741.post-28345454441602011112009-11-10T11:42:16.890-06:002009-11-10T11:42:16.890-06:00@MarchHare
"@Doomo3
"Expanding marriage...@MarchHare<br /><br />"@Doomo3<br />"Expanding marriage rights to gay couples pretty much covers the spectrum of possible permutations in human pairing.""<br /><br />"Hmmm.... no it doesn't. It misses out brothers and sisters who wish to get married. Oh wait, you can't allow that as there may be birth defects, well how about brothers and brothers."<br /><br />Do not assume arguments I never made. Siblings getting married is still a pairing and until I say "any couples except disgusting blood-related couples getting married should be legal," there is no sense in bringing that up. As far as my life is concerned, I do not care.<br /><br />"It also misses out groups of consenting adults who with to live together in groups larger than a pair and wish access to legal and medical decisions with regards to their spouse(s) and children. Just because the gay marriage battle is just do not consider it the end of the road when it is won. Otherwise you end up like the (minority of) people who fought for inter-racial marriages then where aghast at gay marriage."<br /><br />Do not assume arguments I never made. I chose my words specifically to indicate pairings only, because in as far as the gay marriage question goes, that is what it is dealing with, removing the gender restrictions for when two people want to get married.<br /><br />That is a much bigger hump to get over than polygamous marriages. The support for one is not mutually exclusive for the support for the other. Much like interracial marriage, it is dealing with a different aspect of marriage laws, notably one adjective in each permutation.Doom03https://www.blogger.com/profile/13290607738323035380noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33241741.post-60854894879201138012009-11-10T11:34:19.141-06:002009-11-10T11:34:19.141-06:00Okay dawkwin, the Sabbath rule was never revoked i...Okay dawkwin, the Sabbath rule was never revoked in the New Testament, so do you wish to invoke the death penalty for anyone who breaks that commandment? Do you lobby your confressman to repeal laws that allow people to work on the Sabbath?<br /><br />And if you're going to take the Commandments seriously, should you not be lobbying for a ban on all non_Christian, or at least non_Abrahimic religions?<br /><br /><i>But at the beginning of creation God ‘made them male and female.</i> Okay, we can stop right there. Anyone who literally believes in Adam and Eve is plainly blind to all evidence and will choose their strange interpretation of the Holy Book over any argument.March Harehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13116034158087704885noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33241741.post-68783603686428508242009-11-10T11:17:00.169-06:002009-11-10T11:17:00.169-06:00"What is your justification for this that doe..."What is your justification for this that does not resort to simple anti-gay discrimination? Even if I grant you your religous morality, it is still nothing to do with you what two consenting adults wish to do, and since you are ignoring the other rulings in Leviticus you cannot be viewed as anthing other than a hypocite."<br /><br />>You know what...you are just as correct as all get out.<br /><br />>Anyone who believes that the Word of God is just a hypocrite even if the food restrictions have been Biblically released based on the New Testament/Covenant.<br /><br />>I haven't found the let adultery and fornication abound verse.<br /><br />>If you are anti or NON God anyway, then don't let my words get you agitated.<br /><br />“It was because your hearts were hard that Moses wrote you this law,” Jesus replied.<br /> <br />“But at the beginning of creation God ‘made them male and female.<br /><br />‘For this reason a man will leave his father and mother and be united to his wife, and the two will become one flesh. <br /><br /> So they are no longer two, but one. <br /><br />Therefore what God has joined together, let man not separate.” <br />Mark 10:5-9<br /><br />>didn't find man joined to man or woman joined to woman or for that matter 3 men joined to 2 women or a woman joined to a cat.<br /><br />>But I know it's kind of like you quoting Tony the Tiger.<br /><br />>but since you seem to be intrenched in a book (partially) that you seem not to believe in, then keep up the good work.dawkwinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00680350817784834000noreply@blogger.com