tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33241741.post5701626843108868811..comments2023-09-24T07:53:50.826-05:00Comments on The Atheist Experience™: Okay, so now that we're all agreed we don't play nice...Unknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger21125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33241741.post-78077642733361891902010-08-18T07:56:57.369-05:002010-08-18T07:56:57.369-05:00One of my favourite podcasts did a disection of th...One of my favourite podcasts did a disection of this dissertation and it is hilarious! Chuck & Leighton do a great job, it's a must listen: http://www.irreligiosophy.com/podcasts/047_hovind.mp3mikekoz68https://www.blogger.com/profile/02168101511381957884noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33241741.post-58699176119517477662010-07-28T15:02:00.737-05:002010-07-28T15:02:00.737-05:00Dude, do you really believe KH believes to anythin...Dude, do you really believe KH believes to anything of what he says?<br />He's just a con artist, smart enought to understand how tha mind of a fundamentalist works: an irrational mind cannot be convinced by rational arguments, so why bothering making sense?Malthushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11440610776006928522noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33241741.post-24103677851944030902009-12-13T19:07:45.128-06:002009-12-13T19:07:45.128-06:00An ad hominem attack is only a rhetorical fallacy ...An ad hominem attack is only a rhetorical fallacy if the attacks against the person are used <i>in lieu of</i> comprehensive, cogent responses to the person's claims and assertions. <br /><br />If you address the assertions as thoroughly as has been done with Ray, Kent, and every other creationist out there, then it's perfectly acceptable to call them idiots, etc. As you say, it's descriptive and not libelous. <br /><br />I would personally even go so far as to say that it's perfectly permissible to call them morons <i>first</i>, provided you then proceed to dissect their assertions with valid arguments.Dorkmanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13927199693571387920noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33241741.post-52349984337266837552009-12-11T21:00:04.400-06:002009-12-11T21:00:04.400-06:00soul_biscuit, an excellent point! I didn't no...soul_biscuit, an excellent point! I didn't notice. I've added it to my list:<br /><br />http://www.atheistpropaganda.com/2009/12/kent-hovinds-doctoral-thesis.htmlAdminhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08435379042731604819noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33241741.post-37934600720869935082009-12-11T13:13:59.172-06:002009-12-11T13:13:59.172-06:00@ Aardvark,
You sure are. We all know that evolu...@ Aardvark,<br /><br />You sure are. We all know that evolutionary originated with Satan! Though Confucius and Lao Tse had their parts.<br /><br />Did anyone else notice that the introduction lays out sixteen chapters, but the dissertation ends with only five? Is Hovind the laziest dipshit ever, or what?soul_biscuithttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10017109360122087908noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33241741.post-41528666911613707082009-12-11T10:47:26.287-06:002009-12-11T10:47:26.287-06:00I'm a fool for thinking he was going to talk a...I'm a fool for thinking he was going to talk about Darwin when he said it was time for a "history of evolution"Aardvarkhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03515210663985590456noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33241741.post-49138346727783510532009-12-10T17:17:54.531-06:002009-12-10T17:17:54.531-06:00"Sir Arthur Keith, and avid evolutionist, sai..."Sir Arthur Keith, and avid evolutionist, said, 'Evolution is unproved and unprovable. We believe it because the only alternative is special creation and that is unthinkable.'"<br /><br />From talkorigins:<br /><br />"The quote that is attributed to Sir Arthur Keith is a figment of the creationists imagination. I researched that quote a month or two ago and could not find a trace of it. No library in the Atlanta metro area has this particular edition and neither Amazon nor Barnes and Noble has this edition. I am in nine newsgroups and no one in these NGs had a copy or had ever seen one. A search of the internet showed many references for this quote but every one of them was from a creationist site. It is also amazing because that Sir Arthur died in 1955 and the 100th anniversary edition would not have been issued until 1959. Tell me, did 'God' write this for Sir Arthur from heaven?"<br /><br />There are many, many more despicable quote mines. It's too bad he did this in 1991; if he had waited a few more years, he could have just copied the whole thing from a creationist website!soul_biscuithttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10017109360122087908noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33241741.post-20529867371394169302009-12-10T17:12:37.832-06:002009-12-10T17:12:37.832-06:00From chapter two:
"What created the universe...From chapter two:<br /><br />"What created the universe? Was it blind chance, evolution?"<br /><br />Why are you asking evolution?<br /><br />LOLsoul_biscuithttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10017109360122087908noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33241741.post-1753601291413986812009-12-10T12:57:38.245-06:002009-12-10T12:57:38.245-06:00Tyler:
Thanks for the explanation. I guess that m...Tyler:<br /><br />Thanks for the explanation. I guess that means you always have to take a close look at the small print on the diploma or maybe even look up where exactly the university is accredited. More work for the employer, and unrealistic to expect from Mrs./Mr. Average Gal/Guy whom people like Hovind are trying to impress with their credentials.Alex SLhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00801894164903608204noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33241741.post-69804176844894599422009-12-10T11:06:12.228-06:002009-12-10T11:06:12.228-06:00@Mintman:
In the US there is an accreditation sys...@Mintman:<br /><br />In the US there is an accreditation system for universities and other educational institutions. A degree which comes from an unaccredited institution is basically worthless and nothing more than a piece of paper. You can literally go online and buy a PhD in this country in whatever field you want for $20 and you don't have to do any of the work. This is how Christian "universities" get to stay in business, because the batshit crazy ones are not accredited. There are some Christian or Christian-affiliated universities that are accredited, but those aren't the ones that would except a piece of trash dissertation like this.<br /><br />So while in this country any "educational" body is free to call itself a university, only the government can grant credit to true universities.Tyler Olsenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02266867686223090208noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33241741.post-44748333048441374062009-12-10T10:01:26.537-06:002009-12-10T10:01:26.537-06:00Ok BBerry, can you see the difference between sayi...Ok BBerry, can you see the difference between saying "Hovind is clearly a moron for this paper" compared to "Darwin was wrong because he was fat" in terms of ad hominim? Cause you seem to have a problem with this.Inghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13024689390434414829noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33241741.post-89421438659531934142009-12-10T09:29:14.410-06:002009-12-10T09:29:14.410-06:00Any document that starts with "Hello, my name...Any document that starts with "Hello, my name is ..." and ends with "I believe Jesus was right" cannot be of the highest quality.<br /><br />In fact, if he had limited himself to just writing "Hello, my name is Kent Hovind, and I believe Jesus was right", it still would have gotten the basic message across and it would have spared 100+ sheets of paper the indignity of having his 'dissertation' written on them.MrKayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11819693861177152670noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33241741.post-35645385969720943442009-12-10T08:11:58.207-06:002009-12-10T08:11:58.207-06:00How is this a dissertation? Do the USA not have an...How is this a dissertation? Do the USA not have any kind of system in place to protect themselves against diploma mills? No institution that accepts such a waste of cellulose and ink as a dissertation should be allowed to masquerade as a university. It demeans the efforts of all those who have done real intellectual work to gain a degree.Alex SLhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00801894164903608204noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33241741.post-57927518208874428212009-12-10T03:22:55.498-06:002009-12-10T03:22:55.498-06:00Any document that starts with "Hello, my name...Any document that starts with "Hello, my name is ..." and ends with "I believe Jesus was right" cannot be of the highest quality. I also am appreciative of the fact there are zero references anywhere in the document. I know, I counted them twice.<br /><br />While I have not read the 101 pages document (the page number are handwritten on some of the pages) I have read enough to know it's a pile of crap. Extrapolating what I have read I can conclude what everyone already knows - if Kent had a clue in his brain it would be lonely.<br /><br />I would feel sorry for Kent, but he has been asking for this for years. No wonder he fought so hard to keep it hidden. Now every atheist and skeptic on the planet has a copy. Prepare to be judged, Kent.askegghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03679224827797204388noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33241741.post-38622274554330852042009-12-10T02:30:27.571-06:002009-12-10T02:30:27.571-06:00Patriot Bible University is "accredited"...Patriot Bible University is "accredited" by the Accrediting Commission International (ACI). If you'd like a bit of a chuckle, read this:<br /><br />http://www.quackwatch.com/04ConsumerEducation/dm3.html<br /><br />about ACI and it's completely unconnected predecessor, the International Accrediting Commission.Peterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01058954779316848738noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33241741.post-69751464216101257502009-12-09T22:16:33.835-06:002009-12-09T22:16:33.835-06:00My immediate thought was
"And Taft got stuck ...My immediate thought was<br />"And Taft got stuck in the bathtub but he was still a good president."Inghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13024689390434414829noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33241741.post-11738054109746243942009-12-09T22:06:32.538-06:002009-12-09T22:06:32.538-06:00The interesting thing is that in one of Hovind'...The interesting thing is that in one of Hovind's interviews on the Infidel Guy Show some years back, he basically said that his dissertation is a work in progress, and that he adds to it every year.<br /><br />...of course, everyone ELSE knows that your dissertation is not something you continually edit after turning it in. But of course... over at Patriot University they don't do research like at those "secular" universities, following "academic" procedures and all that. The only regulations they follow are the 10 Commandments.Derek CAhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04861722187567221950noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33241741.post-12279193940803937492009-12-09T20:46:12.683-06:002009-12-09T20:46:12.683-06:00Wow, I don't see how that could pass as a high...Wow, I don't see how that could pass as a highschool research paper. For one it's laced with opinion that has nothing to do with anything: "He was a fat & immoral man".<br /><br />Laughable.Sheahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03476810715895454265noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33241741.post-43505930436618106522009-12-09T19:00:28.762-06:002009-12-09T19:00:28.762-06:00"Patriot University inspired me the continue ..."Patriot University inspired me the continue my education"Inghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13024689390434414829noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33241741.post-30319105979892463242009-12-09T18:45:55.072-06:002009-12-09T18:45:55.072-06:00I am sure that Kent Hovind believes that his disse...I am sure that Kent Hovind believes that his dissertation makes him the intellectual equivalent of people with real degrees. It is discouraging that he and his friend Ray are so effective in getting other ignorant people to share their worldview.DavidCThttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10567694912132966263noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33241741.post-9121069903814239662009-12-09T18:14:33.015-06:002009-12-09T18:14:33.015-06:00I've started writing a fan MST3King treatment ...I've started writing a fan MST3King treatment of the document. So far I'm just past the dedication page.Inghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13024689390434414829noreply@blogger.com