tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33241741.post4673622754251775752..comments2023-09-24T07:53:50.826-05:00Comments on The Atheist Experience™: Draw Muhammad Day...Unknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger54125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33241741.post-62183717291278763392010-12-06T14:38:12.453-06:002010-12-06T14:38:12.453-06:00I thought, though, that Jeff was going to draw Moh...I thought, though, that Jeff was going to draw Mohammad along with RPG stats, so we could battle against him. I must confess I was disappointed that this never ended up happening :-(ianmathwiz7https://www.blogger.com/profile/10861609029093929357noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33241741.post-78473059128276886412010-05-25T09:32:03.845-05:002010-05-25T09:32:03.845-05:00As for his comments about the Dawkins boards, I th...<i>As for his comments about the Dawkins boards, I think he's trying to say that theists get banned/censored there, which I highly doubt.</i><br /><br />I believe it. Some boards and blogs are free-for-all debates for just about anyone who wants to join and isn't moderated for any specific reason. This blog and Ray Comfort's (to his credit, I think) are such places.<br /><br />On the other hand, many boards just don't want to foster that kind of troll-happy environment. They set themselves up as a discussion among like minded people, and they keep it on that footing. Another blog I visit frequently, Daily Kos, explicitly says that they are a liberal site and would rather foster a community of like-minded individuals than a shouting match.<br /><br />I don't mind that. Both types of environments are interesting to me, but it depends on my mood. I don't feel that board moderation in any way constitutes a free speech violation; message boards and communities are more like private clubs than public squares, and it's at the discretion of the administrators to decide what kind of place they want. If Dawkins or the moderator over there wants a place where only atheists can chat, then so be it.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05324968314168283095noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33241741.post-52111238231760620142010-05-25T08:54:11.877-05:002010-05-25T08:54:11.877-05:00I think Proteus is trying to say that if we're...I think Proteus is trying to say that if we're right about not believing in god, then Draw Mohammed Day amounts to nothing anyway? I'm not really sure what he means by "if Atheism is true" though. I'm not sure how the rejection of a claim based on lack of evidence can be "true" or not, but I think he means if there's really no god.<br /><br />Also, I think Proteus is missing the point. This doesn't have to do with whether or not god exists or religious doctrines are true or not. This has to do with whether or not certain adherents of a religion have a right to dictate to non-adherents what they can and cannoy say about their religion.<br /><br />As for his comments about the Dawkins boards, I think he's trying to say that theists get banned/censored there, which I highly doubt.Sparrowhawkhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16520765821903563677noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33241741.post-39038201219612314442010-05-25T07:17:15.761-05:002010-05-25T07:17:15.761-05:00"Why are we so workout! If Atheism is true th..."Why are we so workout! If Atheism is true the "Drawing Muhammad Day ..." is as Dawkin's say "at bottom, no purpose, no evil and no good, nothing but blind pitiless indifference" which is absurd.<br /><br />If Atheism is true then, no big deal, Atheist and Theist are just "nothing but blind pitiless indifference"<br /><br />Dawkin's Self-Deluded Logic<br /><br />Dawkin Discussion site is no different to same Islamic militant " You write anything to do with Dawkin, The Muhammand of some Atheist" You are out! Banned.<br /><br />I hope you guys allow free thinking :)"<br /><br />Once again in English?Inghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13024689390434414829noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33241741.post-16120041414435692022010-05-25T05:54:41.665-05:002010-05-25T05:54:41.665-05:00Why are we so workout! If Atheism is true the &quo...Why are we so workout! If Atheism is true the "Drawing Muhammad Day ..." is as Dawkin's say "at bottom, no purpose, no evil and no good, nothing but blind pitiless indifference" which is absurd.<br /><br />If Atheism is true then, no big deal, Atheist and Theist are just "nothing but blind pitiless indifference" <br /><br /><a href="http://withalliamgod.wordpress.com/2010/05/24/new-atheists-self-exceptional-fallacy-or-logical-deluded/" rel="nofollow"> Dawkin's Self-Deluded Logic </a><br /><br />Dawkin Discussion site is no different to same Islamic militant " You write anything to do with Dawkin, The Muhammand of some Atheist" You are out! Banned.<br /><br />I hope you guys allow free thinking :)ProteusIQhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12539150949997071268noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33241741.post-83803099638400176512010-05-24T09:09:59.286-05:002010-05-24T09:09:59.286-05:00It seems, to me, that an event was / is in danger ...It seems, to me, that an event was / is in danger of being hijacked by Islamophobes and racists who use it as an opportunity to attack Islam. If that is the message the extremist Muslims take from this, the intention will have been lost."<br /><br />I've given up on trying to think we can show a kind accepting west to the Muslim world. It seems like that if they take offense to a cartoon than the nicest of criticisms are seen as attacks. it's not about the cartoons ANYTHING against Islam is going to be viewed at the same level as baby rape to some. It may be me revealing some 'bigotry' or 'racism' but i'm kind of tired of the western world apologizing to the muslims for our way of life. We're the ones who have to go out of our way to let them know we respect THEIR traditions. We can't openly call the Burkas out for their mysoginist subtext. WE have to be multi-cultural. Meanwhile the arab world is amongst the most intolerant, unacceptable governments and nations we have. Why do WE have to be careful with our free speech while they call western women whores and sluts and slur us as agents of Satan. Fuck that. If they want to be civil the net has to be up for both serve and return.<br /><br />Ing though I can understand the sentiment and I share it tbh, I think that's just too simplistic a way of looking at it. apart from the arabian peninsula most arab nations have secular dictorships in place. These worry about islamists too. The regimes are generally corrupt and political opposition is kept to a minimum. The islamist movements are an attractive opposition movement since it harangues the state for it's unfairness and corruption whilst appealing to religion and piety to replace to make things better. Then there is the the fact that the leaders of those countries can and do use religious fervour against outsiders (i.e. the west) as a distraction of their own failings. <br /><br />This is not to say that we shouldn't be able to criticize them, but tbh you won't be able to that effectively unless you understand the underlying mechanisms. Now I am not an expert on these social workings by any means, I have read enough on the subject, to realize that it is very complex matter, that simply have no simple solution. <br /><br />I'm not saying we shouldn't do anything about it, I think we should choose our battles with care to make sure they actually have a positive rather then a negative effectFritshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10283591813641507318noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33241741.post-9775540115426149582010-05-24T08:03:45.540-05:002010-05-24T08:03:45.540-05:00It seems, to me, that an event was / is in danger ...It seems, to me, that an event was / is in danger of being hijacked by Islamophobes and racists who use it as an opportunity to attack Islam. If that is the message the extremist Muslims take from this, the intention will have been lost."<br /><br />I've given up on trying to think we can show a kind accepting west to the Muslim world. It seems like that if they take offense to a cartoon than the nicest of criticisms are seen as attacks. it's not about the cartoons ANYTHING against Islam is going to be viewed at the same level as baby rape to some. It may be me revealing some 'bigotry' or 'racism' but i'm kind of tired of the western world apologizing to the muslims for our way of life. We're the ones who have to go out of our way to let them know we respect THEIR traditions. We can't openly call the Burkas out for their mysoginist subtext. WE have to be multi-cultural. Meanwhile the arab world is amongst the most intolerant, unacceptable governments and nations we have. Why do WE have to be careful with our free speech while they call western women whores and sluts and slur us as agents of Satan. Fuck that. If they want to be civil the net has to be up for both serve and return.Inghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13024689390434414829noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33241741.post-12507662301446460292010-05-22T16:50:37.363-05:002010-05-22T16:50:37.363-05:00@Martin I think it's actually the same point. ...@Martin I think it's actually the same point. Yes! -they can all go as far as they choose with it. I certainly hope I haven't alluded to limiting anyone's freedom in that way. If so, it wasn't my intention.J S Brownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01627706312221850946noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33241741.post-4847559278094513362010-05-22T12:12:23.682-05:002010-05-22T12:12:23.682-05:00But JS, another point about the whole free speech ...But JS, another point about the whole free speech thing is that when someone says, "I think you've gone as far as you need to go to make your point, you don't need to go any farther," you can still keep going. Naturally, you're also free to dislike what they do and condemn it. You have the appropriate response to not liking something, which is expressing your disapproval. Violence is not the appropriate response. If Islamists didn't have such a reputation for over-the-top violence, it's possible the drawings wouldn't be so offensive as they are.Martinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17933545393470431585noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33241741.post-12895708742923488472010-05-21T21:12:05.330-05:002010-05-21T21:12:05.330-05:00@Martin I know that's a favorite phrase of you...@Martin I know that's a favorite phrase of yours, but I haven't "spectacularly missed the point." Clearly murder is far more offensive than words or images. I didn't say otherwise. It's ridiculous to suggest that I can't object to anyone's actions until it's as offensive as murder.<br /><br />I expressed my dissatisfaction with some of the participants. Many of the examples I saw on Facebook went beyond simply showing that people have the freedom to depict the Islamic prophet. A simple stick figure labeled "Muhammad" would suffice, though free expression allows anyone to draw anything. I understand this. My point is that it isn't necessary to go as far as many people did to make the point.<br /><br />It seems, to me, that an event was / is in danger of being hijacked by Islamophobes and racists who use it as an opportunity to attack Islam. If that is the message the extremist Muslims take from this, the intention will have been lost.J S Brownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01627706312221850946noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33241741.post-33558674532423201682010-05-21T13:19:11.478-05:002010-05-21T13:19:11.478-05:00This is important enough to bear repeating:
You d...This is important enough to bear repeating:<br /><br /><b>You don't have to NOT offend anyone, you just have to accept being offended back. That's the point!</b>Lukashttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01844177654412625852noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33241741.post-13627472326712404792010-05-21T12:45:57.189-05:002010-05-21T12:45:57.189-05:00So thats what one group which is largest one reque...<b>So thats what one group which is largest one requesting to not to do that draw thingy bcz it hurts someone feeling. We are asking that, not saying that we will kill you. So what u say about this?</b><br /><br />It may very well hurt your feelings; it certainly hurt a lot of Catholics' feelings when PZ Myers desecrated a <a href="http://scienceblogs.com/pharyngula/2008/07/the_great_desecration.php" rel="nofollow">Communion wafer</a>. Hurt feelings are a natural consequence of free speech. We respect your right to express offense and to ask people not to do things that might cause emotional pain, but sometimes there are bigger concerns than people's feelings. In this case, we feel that making a stand in favor of free speech against those violent extremists--who, as you say, don't represent you--who would back up their hurt feelings with threats and riots, is more important than considering the possible emotional pain to moderate believers. <br /><br />One thing many atheists stand for is the position that no religion is exempt from being criticized or ridiculed, even if the believers in that religion might be offended or hurt by critique or mocking. No one has the right to not be offended. <br /><br /><b>That 9/11 event accur which is another debate because many believe that its all fake and inside doing.</b><br /><br />This is where we part ways quite a bit. You're right that many believe that 9/11 was fake or was an inside job. <i>Those "many" are wrong.</i> The evidence is solidly against those who would claim that 9/11 was a conspiracy perpetrated by world governments. Many of us disagree with the actions our governments have taken since then (invading a country that had nothing to do with the attack, failing to catch those actually responsible), but those actions do not add up to a conspiracy. I'd recommend reading up on <a href="http://911myths.com/" rel="nofollow">9/11 conspiracy</a> <a href="http://debunking911.com/" rel="nofollow">myths and misinformation</a>. <br /><br />There are real reasons to oppose extremists and to disagree with American government actions in the Middle East; you don't need to resort to fiction. <br /><br />Thanks again for coming, Faheem. I'm sorry that Draw Muhammad Day hurt your feelings (and more sorry that it brought out the racists and nuts), but I don't regret participating, nor do I think it was a bad idea. If you want to be offended, you should direct your offense at the violent extremists who made this event necessary and who give you--and all other moderate, reasonable Muslims--a bad name.Tom Fosshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13796424725228769265noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33241741.post-38952882442995372382010-05-21T12:45:57.190-05:002010-05-21T12:45:57.190-05:00First, Faheem, I want to thank you for dropping by...First, Faheem, I want to thank you for dropping by and engaging in a civil manner. We often decry the silence of moderate religious people--Muslim, Christian, or otherwise--regarding the actions and claims of vocal, violent extremists, so it's always nice to have a moderate breaking that silence, even if we'd all like to see more public outcry. <br /><br /><b>It does mean that if you are not careful about this subject you run the very real risk of making it racial rather then religious.</b><br /><br />Agreed. We should remember that believers of <i>any</i> religion come in all colors, shapes, sizes, and nationalities. I generally think (or hope) you'll find that this community of atheists is more concerned with the specific claims of religions and actions of believers than with where those believers come from or what they look like. <br /><br /><b>This is not Islam.</b><br /><br />Here's the problem, Faheem, and it's a problem you share with moderate Christians: we're on the outside. We have no grounds to say "the people who belong to Group A are true Muslims/Christians, and the people who belong to Group B are not true Muslims/Christians." All we have to go on is what each group says about themselves. You say that the violent extremists "[are] not Islam," and that's a fine position to take. But I bet if we asked them, they'd say that you and other moderate Muslims are "not Islam," and that they have the true interpretation of scripture. We hear the same from Christians all the time--liberal believers claim that the right-wing nuts are wrong, and the right-wing nuts say the same about the liberal believers. <br /><br />It's certainly useful to remind outsiders that the extremists don't speak for or represent everyone, but what moderate believers of <i>any</i> religion need to do is remind the <i>extremists</i> of that point. The only reason that outsiders might get the impression that all Muslims or all Christians are violent theocratic xenophobes is because the moderates and liberals aren't vocal enough in their disapproval of the extremists. <br /><br /><b>Pal u r totally wrong here. Just bcz of ur anger, u r quoting something from the history out of the context. U have no knowledge of the background of it.</b><br /><br />This is another claim that we often hear from religious believers regarding specific religious stories (for instance, many Christians will justify the Bible's endorsement of slavery by saying that it was a different time or a different context). Please feel free to explain the context or where we're mistaken, but I don't know if there's any context that would justify to us the consummation of marriage with a 9- or 10-year-old child.Tom Fosshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13796424725228769265noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33241741.post-34553615716178542582010-05-21T11:46:42.123-05:002010-05-21T11:46:42.123-05:00"Thank You and sorry is i have offended any o..."Thank You and sorry is i have offended any one in this thread. Yes English is not my first language"<br /><br />You don't have to NOT offend anyone, you just have to accept being offended back. That's the point!Inghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13024689390434414829noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33241741.post-38315945779541017842010-05-21T11:45:19.087-05:002010-05-21T11:45:19.087-05:00"No i have not heard about such a news paper...."No i have not heard about such a news paper. About blowing up statues of budha in Afghanistan, well the west did perform a military operation over there killing thousands of innocent people. "<br /><br />Great, so since Muslims did 9-11 I'm allowed to do lesser crimes to Muslims? Good that's my excuse for drawing the prophet as the rear end of a donkey, Muslims preform terrorist acts.Inghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13024689390434414829noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33241741.post-55290285509001537172010-05-21T11:42:03.246-05:002010-05-21T11:42:03.246-05:00@whizzzz
About blowing up statues of budha in Afg...@whizzzz<br /><br /><b>About blowing up statues of budha in Afghanistan, well the west did perform a military operation over there killing thousands of innocent people.</b><br /><br />Two things:<br />1) As the link shows, the destruction of the statues took place long before the invasion of Afghanistan.<br />Are you referring to some other military operation?<br /><br />2) Regardless of timing, your comment makes no sense. Are you seriously suggesting that the correct response to a foreign attack is to destroy one of your own, priceless, irreplaceable monuments?<br /><br />It's like saying that in response to 9-11, America should have demolished the Empire State building as well. <br />That'll show those terrorists.<br /><br /><b>Europe is wrong for banning the Muslim garb because Europeans find it offensive to women, but the Muslims are free to ban anything that might offend their beliefs...<br />Who is more hypocrite i will leave that judgement to you!</b><br /><br />I'll agree that the European rules are hypocritical. How does that change the fact that the Pakistani banning of Facebook is a restriction of freedom?<br /><br />It sounds like you're saying that it's not bad simply because Pakistan is very open about its totalitarian tendencies.<br /><br /><b>It makes Amsterdam the most liberal and rest of the countries fundamentalist? </b><br />The word "Fundamentalist" has a clear meaning, referring to religious extremists, especially those with scriptural literalist views.<br />Being conservative does not necessarily mean that you're a fundamentalist. Small point perhaps, but still.<br /><br /><b>It is offensive because we still follow and respect our religion, further it is not allowed in Islam to make pictures of living object or objects that were once alive. Drawing of scenery and other stuff is allowed.</b><br />Again, why?<br />What exactly is the reason for this rule? What do you hope to accomplish by following it?<br /><br /><b>Most of the people who were supporting the ban of Facebook were the literate people ... The idea was to cut down revenue Facebook generates from this part of the world. </b><br />Again, couldn't this have been done through a voluntary boycott? Why the need for such heavy-handed measures?<br />Why is it so important that NO ONE in Pakistan (not just those who are offended) be able to view those pages?Lukashttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01844177654412625852noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33241741.post-62499828073859363502010-05-21T11:09:37.900-05:002010-05-21T11:09:37.900-05:00As a European (Englishman), could someone please t...As a European (Englishman), could someone please tell me why so many people are getting away with wearing the Burkha if it is illegal?<br /><br />I think that it is absolutely disgraceful that these Muslims are getting away with so flagrantly breaking the law.<br /><br />Wizzzz - the Burkha is <b>NOT</b> banned here. In the recent general election, in fact, two parties had in their manifestos that they would ban the Burkha - one that they would ban it completely, and the other that they would ban it in public places.<br /><br />Neither party gained a single seat at the general election.<br /><br />You are speaking nonsense.Afterthought_btwhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17758975616219512727noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33241741.post-80587930979368658012010-05-21T10:59:06.920-05:002010-05-21T10:59:06.920-05:00Wizzz: "Besides the banning of Facebook was n...Wizzz: "Besides the banning of Facebook was not a violent act."<br /><br />But it was coercive, in that it is a resource available to any adult in the world (with internet access) who is interested, but now Pakistanis, even those who might not agree with the fundamentalists, cannot access it. That's a use of force in my book.Mark Bhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12082856602483276803noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33241741.post-89106552166037028412010-05-21T10:23:24.893-05:002010-05-21T10:23:24.893-05:00Ing: Well, I'm considering the possibility tha...Ing: Well, I'm considering the possibility that many of those words he honestly didn't know how to spell, being a non-native speaker.<br /><br />Wizzzz: You haven't offended any of us, and you're welcome here to speak your mind. But just to make it clear: We <i>do</i> understand that the drawings are offensive to Muslims. But — and this is the important point — if it were not for the fact that there have been numerous instances of Muslims making violent threats, and in some cases carrying out those threats with deadly results, then there never would have been a "Draw Mohammed" Day. The point is not simply to be offensive to Muslims, but to make a stand against some members of your faith who feel they are justified in violent reactions. There are those in the Islamic world who think they can silence and control the thoughts and actions of non-Muslims through threats of violence, and we aim to show them that they don't have the right to do that. Remember, as much as those drawings may offend you or any other Muslim, the very worst one of the bunch never killed anyone. Knives, guns and bombs wielded in anger <i>do</i>.Martinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17933545393470431585noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33241741.post-19176916882184791252010-05-21T09:26:36.688-05:002010-05-21T09:26:36.688-05:00I have heard Muslim newspapers having contests on ...I have heard Muslim newspapers having contests on mocking the holocaust.<br />No i have not heard about such a news paper. About blowing up statues of budha in Afghanistan, well the west did perform a military operation over there killing thousands of innocent people. <br /><br />Europe is wrong for banning the Muslim garb because Europeans find it offensive to women, but the Muslims are free to ban anything that might offend their beliefs. <br /><br />Europeans find it offensive to Muslim women?. I think nobody is enforcing Muslim women to wear the garb and neither are the Muslims enforcing or even asking non Muslims women to wear it. A culture that talks about freedom of speech to the extend that they can make of anyone or anything but you have a problem with how people dress up?Who is more hypocrite i will leave that judgement to you!<br /><br />And about banning something in a particular country i just cannot understand the problem with that! I mean a lot of things are allowed in Amsterdam but are not allowed in most of the other western/European countries. It makes Amsterdam the most liberal and rest of the countries fundamentalist? <br /><br />No one even says WHY depicting the prophet is so offensive to Muslims, why it is so wrong apparently. All you say is that it's offensive. Do you know why?<br /><br />It is offensive because we still follow and respect our religion, further it is not allowed in Islam to make pictures of living object or objects that were once alive. Drawing of scenery and other stuff is allowed. But since the depictions are being made by non Muslims but the fact that they are making fun of our beloved prophet and publishing it over the is offensive. Whatever you people think is up to you and it is because of the events and your personal understanding of the subject. I Assume it is mainly driven by media campaigns. <br /><br />Besides the banning of Facebook was not a violent act. Most of the people who were supporting the ban of Facebook were the literate people. And it was banned after continuously reporting to Facebook the page as abusive. The idea was to cut down revenue Facebook generates from this part of the world. <br /><br />The only reason i have posted here is because if i can make one person understand that it is offensive and it will result in nothing but hatred between the common people. Even after the war in Iraq/Afghanistan and the operation in Pakistan people generally dont hate general western public. Because people believe that whatever is happening it is happening because of the corruption in our own system and biased policies of the western leaders. World peace is only possible if we as general public respect each others beliefs so that tomorrow when our children become the leaders they handle things differently. Thank You and sorry is i have offended any one in this thread. Yes English is not my first language. My First language is Urdu :)Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15606664827832234755noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33241741.post-3908538112097635292010-05-21T08:55:44.461-05:002010-05-21T08:55:44.461-05:00"Come on, Ing. English isn't his first la..."Come on, Ing. English isn't his first language and you know it. I suspect his English is a lot better than our Arabic (or whatever he speaks)."<br /><br />I was referring to the odd decision to truncate it with txt spk and u an all thse words while still using 3 posts. Either be brief or be verbose, don't try to split the difference.Inghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13024689390434414829noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33241741.post-58490080536439612022010-05-21T08:15:18.652-05:002010-05-21T08:15:18.652-05:00Respect has to be earned. It's not an intrinsi...Respect has to be earned. It's not an intrinsic attribute to be given.<br /><br />Christianity has about 2010 years of antirespect to account for, and counting, before its out of the red. Islam is just doing a good job lately of racking up the respect debt faster, lately.<br /><br />I do believe this whole drawing-Mohammad thing requires mockery as an antidote.JThttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08881036419280903737noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33241741.post-4691100465461061252010-05-21T07:35:48.827-05:002010-05-21T07:35:48.827-05:00"Have you ever heard that a muslim community ..."Have you ever heard that a muslim community has decided to draw pictures of buddha to offend monks?"<br /><br />I have heard Muslim newspapers having contests on mocking the holocaust. <br /><br />"No ! no religion has ever allowed gay culture"<br /><br />You know, for preaching about how we have to be tolerant and respect you, you in one sentence just whizzed any respect I'd have for your stupid religion. You're entitled to free speech and your own opinions, but not your own facts. Bitching about being so marginalized then in the same breath bashing another minority is beneath contempt. <br /><br />For reference I'm going to do a belated Mohammad, but mostly because I want to do a awesome depiction using the head engulfed in flames trope Muslims used for drawing him. <br /><br />"I think if pakistan banned facebook there is nothing wrong with it.! Its just like when some movies are banned is some countries, and to muslims its banned because its offensive to our beliefs"<br /><br />what amazing hypocrisy! Europe is wrong for banning the Muslim garb because Europeans find it offensive to women, but the Muslims are free to ban anything that might offend their beliefs. <br /><br />I am trying to think of the nicest way to say it, but...to heck with your beliefs. The problem is that you ban everything that might be offensive. You're so afraid of being contradicted, or offended, or even to have another POV represented that you ban. You block out the rest of the world because you're so terrified of it. No what you need is not to be coddled and not offended, you NEED to be offended. You need to have your beliefs challenged just like everyone else in the world's are. You need to see the complaints people have, you need to see other philosophies and points of view. What you don't need is to be cloistered inside your little censorship shell. Is Islam so weak it can't stand in the face of art or literature? Is the prophet so weak that he needs his followers to slaughter people due to offending him? No one even says WHY depicting the prophet is so offensive to Muslims, why it is so wrong apparently. All you say is that it's offensive. Do you know why? What do you care about what we even think? Isn't the fact that the prophet will judge us and we're not in his favor enough? The problem isn't that you're offended, the problem is that you're terrified of the idea that people disagree. <br /><br />The arab world was once the shining beacon of hope for civilization, and because of fundamentalist Islam it was lapped by the west who at the time were wallowing in their own plague infested filth. This philosophy has done more harm to your culture than any offensive picture we do could.Inghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13024689390434414829noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33241741.post-87324981796921462362010-05-21T07:00:58.566-05:002010-05-21T07:00:58.566-05:00Come on, Ing. English isn't his first language...Come on, Ing. English isn't his first language and you know it. I suspect his English is a lot better than our Arabic (or whatever he speaks).Martinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17933545393470431585noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33241741.post-32608011495771474282010-05-21T06:55:33.097-05:002010-05-21T06:55:33.097-05:00"Just a quick word from your sponsor: Faheem ..."Just a quick word from your sponsor: Faheem is welcome here to state his views, and those of you who wish to disagree with him, please stay on message and away from nastiness and flamethrowing, okay? I'll be monitoring this discussion closely and will wield the Loving Mallet of Correction as I deem fit. We now return you to your regularly scheduled comment thread."<br /><br />I can't respond to him cause I can't slog through the 3 part LOLcat response.Inghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13024689390434414829noreply@blogger.com