tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33241741.post4410868643083164788..comments2023-09-24T07:53:50.826-05:00Comments on The Atheist Experience™: In which Martin and Tracie give Gavin the respect he's earned. (Long one, sorry.)Unknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger57125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33241741.post-16720835187061937212011-06-21T10:04:15.773-05:002011-06-21T10:04:15.773-05:00Is this guy a cat or some other non-verbal lifefor...Is this guy a cat or some other non-verbal lifeform?<br />I know that style is a lot more important than substance when talking to such creatures, I myself have sung some particularly abusive, but lovingly rendered, songs to cats in my time, but that doesn't really work when talking to humans.<br />You can express love in a way that sounds vicious and hateful, and you can express hatred in a way that sounds loving. If you yell "I love you" with foam on your lips and rage in your eyes, ok... there might be issues there, but at least you really feel it... but say "you're going to hell" in calm tones, with a smile on your lips, love in your eyes, well you're just fucked in the head and it seems more immoral said that way than it would if it was screamed.. rrrgh.<br />Anyway, you pretty much said all that in less words... so...Spoondogglehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12661366806187319654noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33241741.post-73612359333509309952011-06-19T23:53:56.811-05:002011-06-19T23:53:56.811-05:00Did someone say, "Talk About the Weather?&quo...Did someone say, "Talk About the Weather?"<br /><br />http://tinyurl.com/4y6ygmcTheBrainFromPlanetAroushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04656561052157326830noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33241741.post-47449071915537576332011-06-19T23:50:55.905-05:002011-06-19T23:50:55.905-05:00This comment has been removed by the author.TheBrainFromPlanetAroushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04656561052157326830noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33241741.post-24541022278160055212011-06-15T20:38:24.094-05:002011-06-15T20:38:24.094-05:00***PHEW*** i Read the whole thing
Are you single,...***PHEW*** i Read the whole thing<br /><br />Are you single, Martin? Can I buy you a drink?<br />Tracie... thankyou for REDEFINING "volunteer" to include the description "unequivocal patience"<br /><br />Even for a good cause, I'm not sure I would have gone to such great lengths to spread this Gavin's flesh across the court, as you have. Even if i was drinking and having a REALLY good time doing it, it wouldn't have come out as flawless as this... BRAVO<br /><br />Matt... pat these two on the back for a job well done.<br />Martin... how bout that drink? Got any extra cash to fly a boy from boston down to el arroyo's?<br /><br />haha <3anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12003374146832747236noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33241741.post-23188642555967925992011-06-14T08:15:03.939-05:002011-06-14T08:15:03.939-05:00"Acknowledging a right is not the same thing ..."Acknowledging a right is not the same thing as supporting or endorsing the person(s) exercising that right"<br /><br />and the corollary of this is: <br />"Disagreeing with someone's actions gives you the right to get violent" <br /><br />The basis I believe for all those screams of 'hatred' and islamophobia' and 'military atheist' is the assumption that anyone disagreeing with a principle of action is likely to use violence to end it. <br /><br />Frightening really!gswhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00464061976742965239noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33241741.post-61805447668164817162011-06-13T15:07:22.467-05:002011-06-13T15:07:22.467-05:00I think it may be a case of idiocy overload. I mea...I think it may be a case of idiocy overload. I mean, between the 4-bazillion comments from Charlie and now this Gavin guy, I can see how people would get frustrated. <br /><br />In fact, I'm a bit tired of it myself. So, I'm going to click away from here for now and do something else.The Fuck-Uphttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14424379897087177800noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33241741.post-88078059981611605072011-06-13T13:50:58.955-05:002011-06-13T13:50:58.955-05:00I find it an interesting defense to denigrate peop...I find it an interesting defense to denigrate people and when you get called out on your denigration you claim someone else is attacking you.Timothyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10079666762364999015noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33241741.post-4940434440004253602011-06-13T13:20:59.332-05:002011-06-13T13:20:59.332-05:00Now that I have read all of that, I still don’t th...Now that I have read all of that, I still don’t think I have any idea what this person’s position is. TAE hosts are too mean? Zhe also spend a lot of time arguing that the First Amendment is not an excuse to treat people poorly, but I find it hard to believe anyone on the show would make such an outrageous claim.<br /><br />The only reason I think Gavin got any attention at all was for spewing intensely insulting hate mail, and then has the gall to argue against being uncivil on the talk show, the examples of which are never presented.<br /><br />I am usually of the opinion that the best punishment for tone trolls is ignoring them. If not for all the threats and insults, what does Gavin have worth discussing at all?<br /><br />“Only a child would defend screaming and swearing and belittling someone by wrapping it in the Constitution. Sure, it is OK to do it, under law but you seem to think that something legal is also MORALLY acceptable.”<br /><br />Damn children, always hiding behind the constitution.John K.https://www.blogger.com/profile/11579041716600940838noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33241741.post-32657706101511854382011-06-13T11:17:25.012-05:002011-06-13T11:17:25.012-05:00Personally, I wouldn't have given him so much ...Personally, I wouldn't have given him so much space, but it is sometimes interesting to see to what depths people can sink. Frankly, the obviously untrue comments he made about you guys, and the ones he made about someones wife, pissed me off pretty bad, and I don't even know you guys.<br /><br />I know many ppl here r playing it for laughs, but I hope you guys sue his twisted pampers off!nude0007https://www.blogger.com/profile/17427383503777946860noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33241741.post-83267422222342902772011-06-13T10:57:23.412-05:002011-06-13T10:57:23.412-05:00For what it's worth, I think y'all have ha...For what it's worth, I think y'all have handled this situation quite well. Gavin seems to be a classic case of GIFT (greater internet fuckwad theory).<br /><br />Keep it up!Stevehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07831519699586203277noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33241741.post-43219464135669130032011-06-13T07:00:18.862-05:002011-06-13T07:00:18.862-05:00Daemon: Not only that, but I had posted this to FB...Daemon: Not only that, but I had posted this to FB today in response to someone talking about the complaints toward TAE, as it's free-service provided by ACA...<br /><br />What's funny is someone commented at the blog article that they thought the post was a waste of time. What I found ironic was three fold: (1) they spent time commenting that they're not interested in the post and why did we even post it? When I go to blogs I frequent, if the topic isn't of interest to me, I check back in a few days to see what the new post is. I don't comment that I don't care about THIS post--especially when there are already comments posted from others who clearly do see value in the article and ARE commenting on it and giving input and feedback. That's idiotic.<br /><br />(2) In this case the question of why we'd continue on with a troll is interesting because ultimately we did manage to get a raging idiot to at least calm down sufficiently to post a civil explanation of his point. And to me, that's an accomplishment. But mainly (3) I felt personally it was important to address the "style" over "substance" question--because it comes up quite a lot with TAE and a minority of viewers who have issues with some of the hosts' deliveries.<br /><br />While there is always room for improvement, and viewers can have good ideas for improvement--it's interesting to me when a fan doesn't just say "I'd like to see more X or less Y," but writes to, as you note--really issue a scathing complaint about how vehemently they hate X or that we don't offer Y--basically wondering why we aren't building the show based on their individual image of what it should be. What makes it ironic is that the person who posted in comments at the blog is doing the SAME thing. He's asking WHY we would even write about X--when clearly there are other people at the blog that are interested in it. And in the same way, Gavin was asking why we would respond to callers in X-fashion--not considering that he may be one opinion among many. Gavin's complaint that we're too hard on callers is not unique (although his grotesque way of conflating it with the Fred Phelps issue and his disturbing delivery were certainly unique)--but it's the minority opinion. <br /><br />For every letter we get saying we're too hard, we get half a dozen telling us we're right on the money or that we're too soft, even. We can't please everyone--even though generally the people who complain will add that they like hosts X and Y, but not A and B. And they miss that we're providing them a perspective they relate to, AND also catering to people who may respond better to a different perspective--which of course is one they don't personally appreciate. But rather than say "They're supplying a broad range of attitudes from which I can watch the ones I like best and skip those I don't like," they seem to think we should ONLY supply what THEY like--and all those who like something different are wrong in some way, not just appreciative of a different perspective. They're a very arrogant breed.<br /><br />And perhaps the commenter at the blog thinks the post is a waste of time because he shares the same myopic view--that if X doesn't appeal to him or offer him anything, it has no value. Sadly, this would have value to him, because if he'd get the "substance" of it and stop focusing on Gavin's style--he'd see why Gavin is wrong, and where he is ALSO going just as wrong.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33241741.post-76353935901611502502011-06-13T02:17:57.784-05:002011-06-13T02:17:57.784-05:00In my opinion, the level of idiocy that the emaile...In my opinion, the level of idiocy that the emailer has displayed is deserving of ridicule.Daemon6https://www.blogger.com/profile/06379313038024703056noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33241741.post-26945593574817719872011-06-12T19:56:29.981-05:002011-06-12T19:56:29.981-05:00Dear Wired: There's a thing called "feel ...Dear Wired: There's a thing called "feel free to not read posts you believe are a waste of time." It's an option especially suited to people who aren't interested in a particular discussion and think it's a waste of time. It would even have saved you the time wasted commenting on how this whole thing is a waste of time.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33241741.post-84172653600358120042011-06-12T19:48:51.368-05:002011-06-12T19:48:51.368-05:00Guys, beating up on raving dickheads is fun! You a...Guys, beating up on raving dickheads is <i>fun</i>! You all should be popping popcorn. In any case, Gavin is done and done. It's been ages since we've had one as bad as him, and hopefully it won't happen again in a hurry. (And I resolve to be out that day.)Martinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17933545393470431585noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33241741.post-76358013097518328492011-06-12T19:34:12.553-05:002011-06-12T19:34:12.553-05:00This Gavin is supremely annoying, but you all shou...This Gavin is supremely annoying, but you all should let go of this.Cay Borduinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16192013735489622678noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33241741.post-17912546097332019142011-06-12T17:13:49.492-05:002011-06-12T17:13:49.492-05:00This comment has been removed by the author.Daemon6https://www.blogger.com/profile/06379313038024703056noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33241741.post-63721645795827084172011-06-12T17:08:25.961-05:002011-06-12T17:08:25.961-05:00Maybe I'm wrong but... Isn't this the same...Maybe I'm wrong but... Isn't this the same guy who started the dialogue by abusing Matt because he wasn't harsh enough with Banana Man?<br /><br />Self-serving platitudes such as stating you're doing for others when the records show you to be an abusive hypocrite is pretty much beyond contemptible.Daemon6https://www.blogger.com/profile/06379313038024703056noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33241741.post-39158409061720264172011-06-12T15:46:09.841-05:002011-06-12T15:46:09.841-05:00@Alukonis: I think the most vengeful god is Anoia,...@Alukonis: I think the most vengeful god is Anoia, the goddess of things stuck in drawers (the furniture kind, not underwear ... although ...).Danielahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03983937458506719716noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33241741.post-12551269626953062802011-06-12T15:35:21.172-05:002011-06-12T15:35:21.172-05:00Someone should send Glavin a link to Pharyngula. ...Someone should send Glavin a link to Pharyngula. His head would asplodeInghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09410805080108311574noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33241741.post-45271367013529678282011-06-12T15:30:42.351-05:002011-06-12T15:30:42.351-05:00Dear AE,
There's a thing called "delete....Dear AE,<br /><br />There's a thing called "delete." It was created especially for emails from deranged lunatics. Why you are wasting a moment of your time responding to these pathetic psychos is beyond me.ABhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15536547131562840293noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33241741.post-81761420255288799662011-06-12T14:57:17.158-05:002011-06-12T14:57:17.158-05:00Martin and Tracie, I couldn't read it all, but...Martin and Tracie, I couldn't read it all, but what I did read made me smile. A special thanks to Martin for introducing me to the terms 'cockwart' and 'lolocaust'.Jenny Wrenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09330929532686952884noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33241741.post-44659931665155626122011-06-12T14:23:43.927-05:002011-06-12T14:23:43.927-05:00*gasp* how dare you offend the Berry God by eating...*gasp* how dare you offend the Berry God by eating a berry?!?!?!?! For shame! For that you are condemned to Berry Hell, which means you get a berry seed stuck in your teeth. And you deserve it, heathen!<br /><br />/jk :P<br /><br />(Although clearly the corn-on-the-cob god is much more vengeful than the berry god, as a side note)Alukonishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11553836847827265487noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33241741.post-30546924939582649422011-06-12T13:07:41.693-05:002011-06-12T13:07:41.693-05:00Gavin sounds like a mouth-breathing moronic douche...Gavin sounds like a mouth-breathing moronic douchebag...<br /><br />Go away, Gavin, the big boys are playing...Timhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02932411575939196434noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33241741.post-33981951045715531902011-06-12T11:32:36.679-05:002011-06-12T11:32:36.679-05:00Marshall: Your letter choked me up. I'm glad y...Marshall: Your letter choked me up. I'm glad you're no longer blaming yourself. And I think of all the kids still in situations like you describe.<br /><br />"Gavin" had posted on the TAE page that s/he did what s/he did because s/he "cared how people are treated." And I about fell out of my chair. I do what _I_ do because _I_ care how people are treated. And I was raised in a church where what you describe was not unusual at all.<br /><br />After becoming an atheist, I now read things about gays in Uganda, kids in Nigeria, and see the cause to combat the "Mother Teresa" propaganda machine battled by Hemley Gonzales--who claims to have seen abuses at these "hospices" and now tries to make it better. I see people being killed, their rights being stripped, and this person, of all the dehumanizing abuses on the planet, would expect anyone to believe that his/her instant raging tirade against a small, public Internet program that said "f*ck" or "stupid" on the air is out of some noble desire to improve how "people are treated" in the world? Honestly--this was the area s/he chose to start his/her mission to improve the world? This is where s/he felt his/her energy combating human abuse was best applied? I call Shenanigans on that, again. What a cellophane lie that was. And how insulting that s/he would expect anyone to buy for a second that this isn't some personal crap (did we diss him/her on the phone? did we disagree in an e-mail? Get honest), but instead a serious and noble calling to aid humanity?<br /><br />It would be like claiming you'd like to mount a mission to ensure better nutrition on the globe, and ignoring all the starving children in slums in third-world nations to focus instead on one child in an affluent neighborhood in the U.S. eating a lollipop, to scream and rant and get all bothered that it has too much sugar and low nutrient value. That's your mission? Seriously? No matter how stupid any of the communication has been, nobody is THAT stupid. This is downright dishonesty that's being witnessed--not mere stupidity. This person was never on a mission to improve the treatment of human beings. And everyone clearly saw that throughout. It was a ruse, and nobody will ever really know what the true motivation was. But at this point, it's moot and I don't want to know. I'm just glad it's done.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33241741.post-5487996675713681882011-06-12T10:58:01.424-05:002011-06-12T10:58:01.424-05:00I fail to see the link between blatantly libelous ...I fail to see the link between blatantly libelous statements and anything Gavin has accused the AE hosts <i>or</i> the Phelps clan of.datacablehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07416095806880082531noreply@blogger.com