tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33241741.post2593079332013141452..comments2023-09-24T07:53:50.826-05:00Comments on The Atheist Experience™: Sorry about this, gangUnknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger45125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33241741.post-38088023537077039192009-10-03T15:37:56.811-05:002009-10-03T15:37:56.811-05:00Probably a good decision.Probably a good decision.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33241741.post-71318536939891867562009-10-01T16:56:18.969-05:002009-10-01T16:56:18.969-05:00And I should mention that he nevers posts anything...And I should mention that he nevers posts anything that isn't spammed to 1,000 other people on his target list. If you ask to be removed, you end up with your personal e-mail added, in addition to the list you got spammed on. He's crazy.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33241741.post-90338416894950304672009-10-01T16:54:37.634-05:002009-10-01T16:54:37.634-05:00I will also miss the commentary from LS. And I als...I will also miss the commentary from LS. And I also see this latest as a little out of character. However, I don't know how familiar LS is with David Mabus and his postings. Just to clarify--Mabus posts what I can only describe as nonsensical spam.<br /><br />On our TV list, he evades the filters by changing up his e-mail address or using new tactics now and then. I recall even opening them up and trying to make some coherent sense of what he was trying to say once--but I was totally unable. Just links and claims that were sort of half in and half out of lucid-ness.<br /><br />In the end he just seems to be someone who just has a real rod up his butt about James Randi for some reason. And he combines all manner of paranormal, pseudoscience together in really long, rambling, rants that are just impossible to follow and understand.<br /><br />He's one of the few wack-a-loons out there that I would actually want to be informed if he lived in my neighborhood. This is a guy with a mission and these spams have become a real cause with him. He's not run-of-the-mill wacky/funny. He's seriously disordered or disturbed--IMHO.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33241741.post-10177835679090196942009-09-29T20:51:30.831-05:002009-09-29T20:51:30.831-05:00is IS's real first name "Freewaterfall&qu...is IS's real first name "Freewaterfall"?Inghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13024689390434414829noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33241741.post-19536120710882049362009-09-28T17:57:13.149-05:002009-09-28T17:57:13.149-05:00ls: Regardless of how well-intentioned those rules...ls: <i>Regardless of how well-intentioned those rules are, they don't pass muster, in my view, as rules governing a free forum.</i><br /><br />You continue to labor under the misapprehension that the world has to follow your rules. We do not have to "pass muster" with you.<br /><br />I thought you'd fucked off already. Why are you back? Go find some "free forum" where they'll let you tell them how they should run it. I wouldn't want you to hang out here while feeling your sense of entitlement isn't being treated as worshipfully as you require.Martinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17933545393470431585noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33241741.post-90979221820600539522009-09-28T17:09:16.413-05:002009-09-28T17:09:16.413-05:00LS is an idiot.
The great part is that we know h...LS is an idiot. <br /><br />The great part is that we know he's reading this, so it's not like he's not here to defend himself. He just won't. <br /><br />If he does, he's a LYING idiot. <br /><br />Anyway, I've got no problem with comment moderation. Because you see, I am a sane person.Digitalhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04593946459378162934noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33241741.post-69374798941421621342009-09-28T14:36:18.706-05:002009-09-28T14:36:18.706-05:00This is my favorite thread of all time!
Ahem.
...This is my favorite thread of all time! <br /><br />Ahem. <br /><br />ls spake:<br /><br />"I had thought throughout that this was a forum for the free exchange of ideas (or that if it was restricted the restrictions weren't arbitrarily enforced)."<br /><br />There is nothing "arbitrary" about removing explicit threats of violence or suchlike. <br /><br />"But apparently it's actually not - it's actually instead a forum for the free exchange of ideas _as long as those ideas are acceptable to the moderators_."<br /><br />A preposterous statement, refuted by the barest familiarity with Kazim, Martin, TAE, etc. <br /><br />"I don't see an objective standard by which that acceptability can be determined apart from the mere opinion of the moderators. I've never encountered such a standard in other forums either whose circumstances are similar."<br /><br />Howzat? There is no objective standard to be made (or discerned) between arguing over an issue vs making threats against people you're arguing with? <br /><br />"I don't consider that a free forum - I left religion and belief for the same reasons and I'm leaving this forum for those same reasons primarily as a matter of principle."<br /><br />Oh, puh-leeze. Richard Dawkins himself (Evolution Be Upon Him) would throw you out of his classroom in an eyeblink if you behaved similarly to A Certain Canadian in question here.<br /><br />"Finally, your response wasn't completely reasonable. That your response to my comments were blustery and visceral rather than well-reasoned is what indicates to me that the rules here are more "it's my/our way or the highway" when I say things that ruffle the feathers of the moderators."<br /><br />If Martin's quite sober and straighforward (if somewhat exasperated) response struck you as "visceral," you must lead quite the sheltered life. Come to New York, ls, and I'll show you some "visceral" ways of communicating. ;) <br /><br />"Regardless of how well-intentioned those rules are, they don't pass muster, in my view, as rules governing a free forum."<br /><br />If closing the door on lunatics making death threats doesn't pass muster, I am at pains to imagine what "rules governing a free forum" you would find acceptable.<br /><br />I'm still giggling at your remark about "non-patriarchal, etc." <br /><br />Strange women lying in ponds distributing swords is no basis for a system of government!TheBrainFromPlanetAroushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04656561052157326830noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33241741.post-64152293308725269182009-09-28T03:45:23.778-05:002009-09-28T03:45:23.778-05:00LS is still an idiot.LS is still an idiot.Adminhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08435379042731604819noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33241741.post-54643829927594036882009-09-27T22:57:47.445-05:002009-09-27T22:57:47.445-05:00LS go start your own blog and forum and make it ex...LS go start your own blog and forum and make it exactly how you want it and see what happens.Hammered Thorhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06671124213701642194noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33241741.post-18842369991400350002009-09-27T15:15:11.892-05:002009-09-27T15:15:11.892-05:00Ls, if any of what you said was the case, wouldn&#...Ls, if any of what you said was the case, wouldn't that rant be censored?Billy Deatonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07360965533398052865noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33241741.post-16759126941178854832009-09-27T14:39:33.759-05:002009-09-27T14:39:33.759-05:00"I don't consider that a free forum - I l..."I don't consider that a free forum - I left religion and belief for the same reasons and I'm leaving this forum for those same reasons primarily as a matter of principle."<br /><br />Some mentally unbalanced person got thrown out of your church for making death threats so you stopped going because you object to them being denied the privilege of harassing members and threatening to kill them? That's not the reason I left religion. I left because I stopped believing.kopdhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03887294932899817122noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33241741.post-34082624262504072962009-09-27T14:26:36.766-05:002009-09-27T14:26:36.766-05:00I'm reminded of Stan's dad from that South...I'm reminded of Stan's dad from that South Park episode: "I thought this was 'merica!" <br /><br />Look, LS, if you want to take your ball and go home, I can't say I have a problem with it. But leave your damn high horse behind when you leave. Moderating comments so as to eliminate Dennis Markuze's identical, abusive, copy-pasted rantings (for example, <a href="http://rockstarramblings.blogspot.com/2009/03/106-th-skeptics-circle.html?showComment=1236266100000#c899955958208278829" rel="nofollow">this representative excerpt</a>: "WE'LL BURY YOU, ATHEISTS!<br /><br />i think this will be more effective:<br /><br />visit<br /><br />http://www.samharris.org/forum/viewthread/11853/<br /><br />to see how we WON THE MILLION DOLLAR PARANORMAL CHALLENGE<br /><br />and CRUSHED the entire atheist movement...") is not restricting the free exchange of ideas. It's keeping a mentally ill person from filling up old comment threads with spam. If you can't understand the difference between that and expressing views that are unacceptable to the moderators, then you're, quite frankly, an idiot.<br /><br />And if you've "never encountered such a standard in other forums either whose circumstances are similar," then I wonder exactly how much time you've spent on the Internet. I've been to a number of different forums and blogs, with a wide variety of moderation styles. Some omit comments altogether (as one of Ray Comfort's sites did), some notoriously eliminate comments and ban users for disagreeing with the party line (Uncommon Descent), and some just ban the spammers, trolls, and posters who consistently derail comment threads, abuse users, and refuse to post anything of substance (the vast majority of internet forums, this one included). I've been reading the AE blog long enough to see some posters get the boot (Dan Marvin, for instance), but never without repeated warnings, chances, and explanations of why the bans were in place (and I don't think I've seen any of them gone permanently). You can find Mabus's comments in comment threads on this blog (for instance, <a href="http://atheistexperience.blogspot.com/2008/04/oh-noes-big-science-iz-in-ur-skool.html" rel="nofollow">here</a>) and you can see where his posts have been deleted (such as <a href="http://atheistexperience.blogspot.com/2009/03/do-moderate-christians-enable.html" rel="nofollow">here</a>, in a comment thread where you participated--where were your protests then?). This decision is not without precedent, warning, or reason, as you seem to suggest. <br /><br />The facts have been explained to you carefully, patiently, and repeatedly, but you choose instead to assume a pompous air of moral superiority. Your leaving is not coming across as an exercise of principles, LS, but as the petulant display of someone looking for a reason to declare superiority, and not willing to let simple things like the facts get in the way. <br /><br />Verification word: dingl, which seems oddly appropriate.Tom Fosshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13796424725228769265noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33241741.post-56491932930988911132009-09-27T10:41:29.724-05:002009-09-27T10:41:29.724-05:00"ls, if you're simply going to ignore my ..."ls, if you're simply going to ignore my careful explanations, and instead adopt this bizarre notion that, "....<br /><br />My last post and then I really am out of here.<br /><br />First off, the mistake was mine. I had thought throughout that this was a forum for the free exchange of ideas (or that if it was restricted the restrictions weren't arbitrarily enforced). <br /><br />But apparently it's actually not - it's actually instead a forum for the free exchange of ideas _as long as those ideas are acceptable to the moderators_. <br />I don't see an objective standard by which that acceptability can be determined apart from the mere opinion of the moderators. I've never encountered such a standard in other forums either whose circumstances are similar.<br /><br />I don't consider that a free forum - I left religion and belief for the same reasons and I'm leaving this forum for those same reasons primarily as a matter of principle.<br /><br />Finally, your response wasn't completely reasonable. That your response to my comments were blustery and visceral rather than well-reasoned is what indicates to me that the rules here are more "it's my/our way or the highway" when I say things that ruffle the feathers of the moderators. Regardless of how well-intentioned those rules are, they don't pass muster, in my view, as rules governing a free forum.<br /><br />I'll continue to read the blog because the contributions are otherwise nothing short of brilliant and I have learned, and will continue to learn, so much.<br /><br />But my participation is at an end for the reasons I've stated.<br /><br />Good luck to all and thanks,<br /><br />LSlshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17901508236729383702noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33241741.post-83086068403048159922009-09-26T21:15:19.016-05:002009-09-26T21:15:19.016-05:00*hugs Martin*
I totally think you should discuss s...*hugs Martin*<br />I totally think you should discuss some of my comments on the show tho. Especially my stuff about how guilt did not exist.MrFreeThinkerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12778096949945818236noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33241741.post-78989931595416091162009-09-26T20:49:02.027-05:002009-09-26T20:49:02.027-05:00If ls ever decides to come back make sure to remin...If ls ever decides to come back make sure to remind him how juvenile his reasons for leaving were. Maybe he will be so embarrassed he will leave for good.Voldemort13https://www.blogger.com/profile/00145909649027905301noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33241741.post-61881252024947579102009-09-26T17:46:05.229-05:002009-09-26T17:46:05.229-05:00We heart you, MFT. Have a hug!We heart you, MFT. Have a hug!Martinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17933545393470431585noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33241741.post-62351654593542580872009-09-26T11:46:53.171-05:002009-09-26T11:46:53.171-05:00"WHAT HAVE THE ROMANS EVER DONE FOR US!?"..."WHAT HAVE THE ROMANS EVER DONE FOR US!?"Inghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13024689390434414829noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33241741.post-67064873833520997612009-09-26T11:31:14.885-05:002009-09-26T11:31:14.885-05:00Wow, I normally like LS's comments, I'm re...Wow, I normally like LS's comments, I'm really surprised by that ridiculous reaction!<br /><br />I mean, I don't like moderation either, but only b/c I hate waiting! haha I'll survive it though. :-P<br /><br />I'm seriously FLUMMOXED (how's that for a $10 word? haha) by this! What a stupid reason to stop following a fantastic blog!!!Jennifer Juniperhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13913533558610258500noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33241741.post-53140357997241279842009-09-26T11:17:17.552-05:002009-09-26T11:17:17.552-05:00"Yes, "Mr FreeThinker," we'll e..."Yes, "Mr FreeThinker," we'll even approve you, because even though you couldn't argue your way out of a wet paper bag, you are not to my knowledge a known psychotic or wannabe domestic terrorist. And your comments do keep the threads lively."<br />Well thanks! .. I guess.MrFreeThinkerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12778096949945818236noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33241741.post-56452963406729477362009-09-26T10:16:42.435-05:002009-09-26T10:16:42.435-05:00Oh LS grow up.Oh LS grow up.Hammered Thorhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06671124213701642194noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33241741.post-67382999167091372592009-09-26T10:10:55.434-05:002009-09-26T10:10:55.434-05:00He couldn't be a real Canadian, he must've...He couldn't be a real Canadian, he must've snuck across the border ;p hahaHammered Thorhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06671124213701642194noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33241741.post-66739724735027056332009-09-26T00:12:34.461-05:002009-09-26T00:12:34.461-05:00With regards to LS's request to be special and...With regards to LS's request to be special and exempt from moderation, and subsequent hissy fit when denied, I can only say that I LOL'd.<br /><br />I'm glad I've started participating here more, it's definitely fun times.<br /><br />- Fantasmo<br /><br />P.S. this time my captcha started with "barf", do you guys have a special system for forcing always lolworthy captchas?Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09587969265305227249noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33241741.post-91187639707390763682009-09-25T22:08:32.592-05:002009-09-25T22:08:32.592-05:00"Sorry, I only participate in non-patriarchal..."Sorry, I only participate in non-patriarchal, representative enterprises, where I have an objective way to determine if any of my remarks will be judged "foul mouthed" and "histrionic" or not and censored or not."<br /><br />Wow. I just laughed my ass right off. You poor child - should we fetch your smelling salts?<br /><br />"Pompous" barely even begins to cover that statement! Also naive, uppity, definitely histrionic, over-the-top hysterical and completely unrealistic. You'd rather the AE guys let that Mabus freak clog their shit up with hate and threats than wait to see your wisdom posted? Grow the fuck up. By the way, I really like the way you prefaced your tantrum with "sorry".<br /><br />Way to miss the point entirely, LS - and way to make yourself a ridiculous laughing stock in a thread already dedicated to another ridiculous laughing stock.<br /><br />When has someone's private blog EVER been some hippie-laden idealistic anarcho-syndicalist commune where everything's decided by a majority vote? YOU run the blog, YOU make the rules. <br /><br />LS, you need more practice at the interwebs.hank_sayshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18406469261027721291noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33241741.post-88765420024976056592009-09-25T21:28:22.424-05:002009-09-25T21:28:22.424-05:00ls, if you're simply going to ignore my carefu...ls, if you're simply going to ignore my careful explanations, and instead adopt this bizarre notion that, because I am moderating comments in order to hold at bay a <i>known mentally ill spammer</i> who carpet bombs atheist and science blogs with crazed ramblings and death threats, I have somehow joined the Orwellian Patriarchal Thought Police and will be micro-scrutinizing every single comment submission for permissible ideas, then you're simply a goddamned pompous moron and we don't need you here.Martinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17933545393470431585noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33241741.post-43565012085416904192009-09-25T21:21:17.473-05:002009-09-25T21:21:17.473-05:00LS is an idiot.LS is an idiot.Adminhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08435379042731604819noreply@blogger.com