tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33241741.post2015911537858307904..comments2023-09-24T07:53:50.826-05:00Comments on The Atheist Experience™: Evangelists panic when they're losing groundUnknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger35125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33241741.post-1270599120412526672011-08-28T21:09:06.753-05:002011-08-28T21:09:06.753-05:00Father of lights.. you obviously can't grasp t...Father of lights.. you obviously can't grasp the idea that Christs death on the cross in fact Defeated death and that he Lives and will for eternity in a paradise he has prepared. you only see the this physical life which is but a vapor and not a spiritual life which is eternal.Redmanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02920774366671326162noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33241741.post-4825534966786649152011-08-28T20:55:15.707-05:002011-08-28T20:55:15.707-05:00God condones slavery ? Exodus 21:16 He who kidnap...God condones slavery ? Exodus 21:16 He who kidnaps a man and sells him or is found with him in hand shall surely be put to Death. Obviously not . God Did make laws concerning "servants" as he knew people wwould sel themselves into servitude and I'm sure Knew there would be bonafide Slaves ,knowing how evil men could be, and these laws served to protect them also. As far as Jesus condoning the beating of servants in Luke 12:47-48 he is obviously talking to servants of God .Hypocritical christians. Please stop perpetuating untruths by not researching All that is written on a matter and taking what is written out of context. That's how religions are born .Redmanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02920774366671326162noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33241741.post-82425309172635225352011-08-06T09:33:43.139-05:002011-08-06T09:33:43.139-05:00@Kazim:
But you're taking that context out of ...@Kazim:<br />But you're taking that context out of context!arensbhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15251547886605570242noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33241741.post-5077708850933865712011-08-05T13:13:04.943-05:002011-08-05T13:13:04.943-05:00It's almost noon here. Time to go destroy mor...It's almost noon here. Time to go destroy more moral beliefs.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33241741.post-39852981138189271252011-08-05T13:11:27.488-05:002011-08-05T13:11:27.488-05:00We're destroying their moral beliefs. This fr...We're destroying their moral beliefs. This from a guy selling a book about slave beating and daughter banging. <br /><br />From that perspective, the FLDS sounds almost sane.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33241741.post-20393793014739411452011-08-05T10:25:50.937-05:002011-08-05T10:25:50.937-05:00In case anyone cares, the argument went like this:...<i>In case anyone cares, the argument went like this: the code of laws in Leviticus allows for voluntary slavery, and mandates that some of the harvest be left for the poor. Therefore, Jesus did not condone beating slaves.</i><br /><br />Arensb, thanks for letting me know. I probably wouldn't have listened to the followup if you haven't mentioned it.<br /><br />So yeah, Hank went through all this rigmarole explaining that many slaves were treated very well and they were more like employees.<br /><br />I kept waiting for him to get to the part where you can invade neighboring tribes and enslave people against their will, or brand slaves, or beat them as much as you like as long as they take more than a day to die. But THAT never came.<br /><br />For a guy who claims that reading the Bible is all about understanding context, he sure is eager to skip over a lot of that context.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05324968314168283095noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33241741.post-53292685116587097172011-08-05T00:37:02.485-05:002011-08-05T00:37:02.485-05:00I always protest when someone says "Jesus die...I always protest when someone says "Jesus died for your sins" to me.<br /><br />I had nothing to do with it! I wasn't anywhere near Israel at the time and there's no way you're going to pin that on me!<br /><br />Besides, sin is God's problem, not mine. I'm an American and I have the right to sin if I want to. If God wants to live in America, he should obey our laws!ChaosSonghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09210391390287355639noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33241741.post-7029961823591256892011-08-04T23:41:12.109-05:002011-08-04T23:41:12.109-05:00martin posted this comment on facebook a few days ...martin posted this comment on facebook a few days ago. I think it perfectly sums up the creepiness of god sending jesus to die for us... <br /><br /> Imagine if someone you knew showed up at your door, carrying the freshly killed corpse of their own offspring, and told you, "Look what I did because I loved you so much."Father Of Lightshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01596689529836270188noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33241741.post-33655406141133612502011-08-04T23:16:38.946-05:002011-08-04T23:16:38.946-05:00JJR:
Is Bible-verso-matic in any way related to wh...JJR:<br />Is Bible-verso-matic in any way related to what George Orwell called "crimestop" in <i>Nineteen Eighty-Four</i>? To copy-and-paste a quotation from Wikipedia:<br /><br />"<i>Crimestop means the faculty of stopping short, as though by instinct, at the threshold of any dangerous thought. It includes the power of not grasping analogies, of failing to perceive logical errors, of misunderstanding the simplest arguments if they are inimical to Ingsoc, and of being bored or repelled by any train of thought which is capable of leading in a heretical direction. Crimestop, in short, means protective stupidity.</i>"arensbhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15251547886605570242noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33241741.post-42462556675180759572011-08-04T22:49:29.180-05:002011-08-04T22:49:29.180-05:00Slightly off topic, but I would sometimes try to g...Slightly off topic, but I would sometimes try to get my former mother-in-law (very fundie) to try and reason things out on her own...but she would quickly detect if the conversation was going in a heretical direction and would literally shut down mentally and go into what I liked to call "Bible-verso-matic" mode and just start spouting random bible verses...that sometimes attempted to address the earlier point(s) I raised, other times were complete nonsense that she'd nevertheless spout anyway, to get as far away from my previous line of inquiry as possible. It was often hard to not laugh out loud at this.JJRhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03373297787542059116noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33241741.post-37804758315200436742011-08-04T22:08:59.973-05:002011-08-04T22:08:59.973-05:00I also kick myself for hearing that little nugget ...I also kick myself for hearing that little nugget "sacrificed his only son" for so many years without recognizing just how silly it is. Nowadays it's hard to contain my contempt for people trying to use it as an excuse for nonsense they spin.<br /><br />I listen to Hank the "know it all" on my way from work. He's like the magic 8-ball of apologetics. There are only a handful of answers for every imaginable question. Hank says... bad translation! Hank says... god tells us very plainly!... Hank says... Listen here, this is very important! <br /><br />I wondered what type of person thinks they have an answer for anything. It's people like this who grow their own little fiefdom of a dozen children. He has twelve children. I watched a marathon of "The Duggens" while on a long flight layover this summer. They have similar issues. It's a strange personality type that breeds it's own choir.rrpostalhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03336728549010108830noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33241741.post-1063076974013368112011-08-04T22:08:18.805-05:002011-08-04T22:08:18.805-05:00BTW, Hanegraaff didn't just do one show on Coy...BTW, Hanegraaff didn't just do one show on Coyne's article: I subscribed to the podcast, and found that he talked about it in the Aug. 2 episode as well, and even promised to talk about the remaining "blasphemy" on the following day.<br /><br />In case anyone cares, the argument went like this: the code of laws in Leviticus allows for voluntary slavery, and mandates that some of the harvest be left for the poor. Therefore, Jesus did not condone beating slaves.arensbhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15251547886605570242noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33241741.post-47477305841095594242011-08-04T20:59:41.666-05:002011-08-04T20:59:41.666-05:00@ScienceisFun
Of all religious claims, the whole ...@ScienceisFun<br /><br />Of all religious claims, the whole "Jesus died for you" bit is the one I kick myself most for not seeing through sooner.<br /><br />"I have some rules that I expect you to follow, and you are not doing a good job of following them. You deserve to be punished forever, but don't worry. I am going to torture and kill my own son instead, so you are all set if you are willing to have him take the fall for you."<br /><br />Why I needed Christopher Hitchens to point the insanity of this out to me I will never know.John K.https://www.blogger.com/profile/11579041716600940838noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33241741.post-83104856761131337472011-08-04T17:09:25.054-05:002011-08-04T17:09:25.054-05:00Every time I hear some Christian say "God lov...Every time I hear some Christian say "God loves you so much that He sent His son to die for you", I think to myself, "Huh, that god fellow loves me more than he does Jesus!"ScienceIsFunhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05084757810313975277noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33241741.post-27664056450162836532011-08-04T10:54:09.258-05:002011-08-04T10:54:09.258-05:00Even if it said a group of grown men were calling ...Even if it said a group of grown men were calling Elisha bald...so what!!! No christian would defend someone who murdered somebody because that person called another person bald.Father Of Lightshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01596689529836270188noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33241741.post-6978607498542111352011-08-04T10:47:33.171-05:002011-08-04T10:47:33.171-05:00"The Internet has given atheists, agnostics, ..."The Internet has given atheists, agnostics, skeptics, the people who like to destroy everything that you and I believe . . ."<br /><br />I always find this attitude bizarre - as though beliefs are somehow sacred by their very existence. If a belief isn't true, it doesn't deserve to be held by anyone.<br /><br />If they're wrong, they deserve to be "Destroyed", like a failing employee should be fired and replaced by a good competent employee.JThttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08881036419280903737noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33241741.post-31087434245225131502011-08-04T10:42:11.106-05:002011-08-04T10:42:11.106-05:00"The Internet has given atheists, agnostics, ..."The Internet has given atheists, agnostics, skeptics, the people who like to destroy everything that you and I believe . . ."<br /><br />It's only fair, Mr. McDowell. What you believe practically destroyed me - - when I believed it.dc1983https://www.blogger.com/profile/17225378137175602581noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33241741.post-23856654022090903222011-08-04T10:38:15.527-05:002011-08-04T10:38:15.527-05:00I read Hanegraff's bio. There is absolutely no...I read Hanegraff's bio. There is absolutely nothing about his education and training. Perhaps what pisses him off is that Jerry Coyne is better educated and trained in his area of expertise than Hanegraaff is in his if you can even call Bible and Theology an area of expertise.vinegardaoisthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04736925714223148141noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33241741.post-48510236177223721662011-08-04T10:27:44.928-05:002011-08-04T10:27:44.928-05:00Have you kissed hanks ass today?Have you kissed hanks ass today?RockLeeSmilehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09812705680393516129noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33241741.post-42477645802614107552011-08-04T10:21:19.161-05:002011-08-04T10:21:19.161-05:00As a much younger man I used to think I was SOOO c...As a much younger man I used to think I was SOOO clever for figuring out the principles of Christianity were bogus. I was deeply humbled to find that people have been raising the same objections for years. Ingersol, Payne, and even some ancient Greek philosophers (whose names escape me at the moment) had all this figured out a long time ago. I now consider the explicitly secular stance of the US Constitution to be one of the main factors in the historical success the US has enjoyed. There were already legions of biblical scholars that had to agree the Bible was manmade. I was definitely late to these “revelations”, historically speaking.<br /><br />The criticisms have been sound for a long time. What choice do the religious have except to try and suppress knowledge of them?John K.https://www.blogger.com/profile/11579041716600940838noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33241741.post-14139517693505791802011-08-04T09:41:44.890-05:002011-08-04T09:41:44.890-05:00Hanegraaff and others who think like him probably ...Hanegraaff and others who think like him probably know on some level that the historical correlation of forces don't favor them so much these days. They fear that they live late in their own BC-like era, and that a new world view will emerge in a few generations to push theirs to the margins. I like to call it the coming "Jesus who?" era. Ironically the rapture delusion shows this by postulating that all the christians on the planet will disappear some day.<br /><br />BTW, I've met a few people who had the good fortune to have grown up as atheists. While they have their problems like everyone else, they also come across to me like characters from some advanced civilization of out science fiction. Imagine the advantages of not having to grow up listening to creepy preachers', Sunday school teachers' and youth pastors' ghost stories about the bad things Jesus will do to you if he returns and catches you unprepared, or if you die "unshriven"! It looks almost as if today's atheists, secular humanists, skeptics, etc., used a time machine to migrate to our era from the 22nd Century, and like immigrants across oceans they've built up lives in this environment based on the culture they brought with them.Mark Plushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03859046131830902921noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33241741.post-64626825695122319992011-08-04T09:25:27.027-05:002011-08-04T09:25:27.027-05:00Mao and Pol Pot persecuted and murdered Buddhists ...Mao and Pol Pot persecuted and murdered Buddhists in their respective countries. I guess that goes to show what depth of evil will result when men in power reject the teachings of the Buddha.Mark Plushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03859046131830902921noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33241741.post-73076302965657084752011-08-04T06:10:59.854-05:002011-08-04T06:10:59.854-05:00Jhanley, When apologists say "context" I...Jhanley, When apologists say "context" I think they actually mean "excuse." I believe the popular explanation for the Elisha story is that it was not a group of mocking kids, but a gang of scary teenage thugs. There is, of course, no direct textual support for this interpretation, only imagination and wishful thinking.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05324968314168283095noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33241741.post-74474971187465483542011-08-04T03:03:00.139-05:002011-08-04T03:03:00.139-05:0023 From there Elisha went up to Bethel. As he was ...23 From there Elisha went up to Bethel. As he was walking along the road, some boys came out of the town and jeered at him. “Get out of here, baldy!” they said. “Get out of here, baldy!” 24 He turned around, looked at them and called down a curse on them in the name of the LORD. Then two bears came out of the woods and mauled forty-two of the boys.....according to the bible answer man Jerry Coyne took this verse out of context when he interpreted it to mean that god sent 2 bears to kill a bunch of kids for calling the guy bald. Apparently directly quoting the verse is also taking it out of context....What does one have to do to correctly interpret a verse in context?Father Of Lightshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01596689529836270188noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33241741.post-28945323827921744672011-08-04T02:52:50.272-05:002011-08-04T02:52:50.272-05:00Hank says,"How can you possibly advocate that...Hank says,"How can you possibly advocate that jesus christ sanctioned beating slaves from reading the bible?"...apparently Jerry Coyne read luke chapter 12 as he writes in the article.Father Of Lightshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01596689529836270188noreply@blogger.com