tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33241741.post155758409499096864..comments2023-09-24T07:53:50.826-05:00Comments on The Atheist Experience™: The fundies' continued obsession with fudge-packin' and rug-munchin'!Unknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger6125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33241741.post-55119405637620390232007-01-10T12:39:00.000-06:002007-01-10T12:39:00.000-06:00Tracie wrote:
I notice the Xians have a huge stake...Tracie wrote:<br /><i>I notice the Xians have a huge stake in the "debate" (not really much of a debate) about "born" gay vs. "made" gay. They don't want to believe their god would genetically code "sin" into a person. Ergo, nobody can be born gay.</i><br /><br />On the other hand, some gay people seem to have a huge stake in that debate, from the other side. They would like science to prove that homosexuality is purely in their genes. I think that's just as misguided, and they're just setting themselves up to rely on a proposition that's not true. To me, whether it's nature or nurture, or (more likely) a combination of the two, they still are just as deserving of a decent life as anyone else.Curt Cameronhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08048312089881459521noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33241741.post-47701221424753162072007-01-06T21:30:00.000-06:002007-01-06T21:30:00.000-06:00You might want to be sure you wash your hand after...<i>You might want to be sure you wash your hand afterwards as the creator has only gotten laid once</i><br /><br />Yes, but I understand it was a big bang!Martinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17933545393470431585noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33241741.post-53089490051331594822007-01-06T19:19:00.000-06:002007-01-06T19:19:00.000-06:00(Of course, if any ID proponent actually uses blow...(Of course, if any ID proponent actually uses blowjobs as evidence for intelligent design, I'd have to say I'd like to shake that designer's hand!)<br /><br />You might want to be sure you wash your hand afterwards as the creator has only gotten laid once and probably spanks the monkey religiously.<br /><br />An intelligent designer would have added big ears to women and made the tops of their heads flat so the banana theory won't hold water.Zedhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09711262934550781276noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33241741.post-90316287534876912822007-01-06T17:49:00.000-06:002007-01-06T17:49:00.000-06:00Yes, the male penis is obviously designed to go in...<i>Yes, the male penis is obviously designed to go into a woman's mouth.</i><br /><br />Just like a banana! <br /><br />(Of course, if any ID proponent actually uses blowjobs as evidence for intelligent design, I'd have to say I'd like to shake that designer's hand!)<br /><br />You're right about the red herrings. Tell a fundie homophobe that 75% of the world's AIDS cases are in southeast Asia and sub-Saharan Africa, and are spread almost exclusively heterosexually, they'll just brush it off. Because in the end, they just wanna hate faggits, and if the justifications they bring to bear don't hold up, well, they're still gonna hate the faggits no matter whut you fag-enabling commie hippie libruls think.Martinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17933545393470431585noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33241741.post-18713263937577514422007-01-06T12:30:00.000-06:002007-01-06T12:30:00.000-06:00I notice the Xians have a huge stake in the "debat...I notice the Xians have a huge stake in the "debate" (not really much of a debate) about "born" gay vs. "made" gay. They don't want to believe their god would genetically code "sin" into a person. Ergo, nobody can be born gay.<br /><br />What's funny, though, is that even if I give them this "point" (which I don't), I'm still left with "why is this wrong--besides 'god said so'?" Why does your god arbitrarily assign the label "evil" and "abomination" to something so benign as who somebody else enjoys having sex with?<br /><br />So then they have to make up all sorts of fake "harm" to justify their need to make homosexuality "bad." One that always makes me laugh (and that I have actually been confronted with) is that gay people cause/spread AIDS. When I pointed out that BY FAR, the spread of AIDS is currently very much predominantly a HETEROsexual concern, with more "straight" women falling victim each year than any other world-wide group--I was told that was untrue. When I looked it up and showed the stats, I realized it was pointless. It didn't matter if straight people were the ones spreading AIDS--straight wasn't wrong; and gay was still "wrong." So, the made up "harm" was just a red herring. Even if there really is no harm--it's still "bad" because "god says it's bad."<br /><br />So, god, it seems, does just arbitrarily assign the term "evil" to whatever he likes--it doesn't really have to be something harmful or hurtful.<br /><br />What else makes me laugh is the "It's unnatural" argument. I wish I had a buck for every straight god-fearing man who told me it's "wrong" because it's "unnatural"...of course the blow jobs they so enjoy are totally natural, I guess? Yes, the male penis is obviously designed to go into a woman's mouth.<br /><br />To be fair, some Xians do decry all forms of "unnatural" sexual activity. But I notice they wear clothing--and sometimes makeup--and drive autos and watch TVs. All just part of the "natural" world.<br /><br />If "unnatural" = evil, then we're all living in a hot bed of evilness here in the U.S. in our homes, cars, jobs, entertainment, etc. Is there anyone in the U.S. left who lives their life in a totally "natural" state?<br /><br />Oh, but it's just another red herring. These "unnatural" things aren't sinful. So, really, it's not a matter of "unnatural" being evil--because we all engage in unnatural activities, and it seems to be OK for everything else in the world. So "unnatural" isn't really the problem. Gay is wrong because, again, "god says it's bad."<br /><br />The problem I find with arguing with Xians is that they sidetrack the point with fake "issues" like this to no end; they make up arguments they don't really believe or even care about. And when you argue it down to the point where they see it doesn't make sense, they just jump back to "god said so," or toss out another herring--so an hour and a half of logic, proofs, stats, history...doesn't mean squat. It was all smoke and mirrors from the get go. And the atheist is left with one less hour and a half of his life, and the Xian still standing before him saying, "I don't care, it's still _wrong_, god said so."<br /><br />It has taken me a huge amount of time to understand that Xians don't argue with intellectual honesty. They _want_ to sidetrack. They _want_ to detract from the real point at hand. Then, as soon as you leave, that same Xian, the moment someone else comes along is right back to "It's unnatural and harmful"--with the next poor sucker--as if your proofs, arguments, illustrations, facts, figures, never even happened.<br /><br />Brainwashing is a terrible thing. And I'm not being facetious. The reason REASON won't sink in, is that they're arguing from a facade that has been meticulously built over many decades by a network of other trusted and authoritative brainwashed individuals; and they have been engrained with the idea that anything that disagrees with or threatens this system is _evil_. If it starts to make sense to them--you're on the side of Satan; and they just stop hearing you and your "clever lies." It's a RARE break when you can put forward some sliver of info that will create a chink in the armor. But somewhere, very deep inside, is a REAL person with REAL ideas of their own--hopefully still left, anyway.<br /><br />That's been my experience. And it's hardly more clear than when you argue "homosexuality & morality" with a fundie.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33241741.post-3765758615786337622007-01-06T00:50:00.000-06:002007-01-06T00:50:00.000-06:00I'm not sure where I read it, but somewhere on the...I'm not sure where I read it, but somewhere on the internet it has been suggested that "Focus on the Family should change their name to Focus on The Anal Sex".<br /><br />I still chuckle about it.Todd Sayrehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12169001814438843191noreply@blogger.com